@okami65 well to start off, we did complain about it. so much to the fact the guy was starting to get angry actually but w/e. besides the point. the game was a close match but the match you watched wasnt the right one i think but anyways, they forgot to add the extra 5 points due to violation of a robot touching a cube in the goal at the end of the match. this was broadcasted on tv as well and from what i hear, the tv caught how many goals we owned and if you look at the score sheet, it just doesnt add up. anyways why cant a ref just look at replays when in question of the scoring?
"The guy" you are referring to is me. I wasn't getting angry so much, but perhaps I did begin to give very "short" answers at times after the teams involved persisted for better than 20 minutes (not to mention the other 10 plus minutes your alliance spent with our field referees). With time in between to confer with others this whole process went on for nearly an hour. I was given the responsibility for overseeing the work of our head and field referees on all competition fields in both divisions, so ultimately I am the person responsible for all decisions made on the field.
I will explain to you again here that there is one part of the manual that covers your questions at hand,
"<T01> Referees have ultimate authority during the competition. Their rulings are final.
a. The referees will not review any recorded replays.
b. Any questions for the referees must be brought forward by a student drive team member within the time period of two (2) matches."
You brought your question up. The referees reviewed their decision with you. Your alliance persisted. I then spent time with your alliance, again meeting with referees, scorers table and head ref in between to get the whole picture and their detailed description of how the match was scored.
Above all else, it is my charge to uphold the rules as stated and to do my best to treat all people involved fairly - on the event side as well as on the team side. That is not to say that mistakes are never made, but I will say the event staff was thorough in their work in this matter and we went out of our way as a courtesy to your alliance - far beyond what the rules call for - to provide all of the information we could based on your questions and rendered a decision.
Now, before you come away from this experience feeling that our VRC referees and event officials don't understand the teams and how hard they work and why we need to do a better job of being fair, let me share with you an experience I had as a lead mentor/coach for FRC Team 1712 at the FIRST Championship in 2007 that I described over in ChiefDelphi Forum two years ago.
Basically, my team lost a third semi-final match in our division on the GA Dome floor with 20,000 people in attendance with our 120-pound robot by a very narrow margin and our season was ended on a very controversial penalty call. When my robot driver was upset and wanted to question it, I reminded him that these penalties were judgment calls and that the ref's decision was final. We had a lot to be proud of and we left it at that. Yes, I wanted to win as badly as you did. Heck, I ran an 18v DeWalt drill directly into my own hand repairing the robot a few matches earlier just to quickly get it back on the field. This was an event our team paid $5K to attend and we ran a small number of seeding matches prior to the eliminations just like you did this weekend. We were disappointed, but we also had a LOT of opportunities most students across this globe do not, and for that we were very thankful for the experience.
Besides, these types of lessons, no matter how "unfair" they may seem at the time just might provide an opportunity for you to learn the real importance of things in life and how to deal with adversity. I told you at field side, I understand how disappointed you are, and we imperfect human beings did the absolute best we could to uphold the rules of the game in all situations at the VRC Championship.
And, by the way, if you're still feeling "cheated" please come talk to my VRC team (Team 1712 competes in both VRC and FRC- FIRST). VRC 1712 qualified for Dallas, but did not attend. Why, you ask? Because the team's lead mentor, aka "the guy" (you know, me) was already committed to helping run the event and had used personal time from work to do it. (I'm a full time teacher and only consult with IFI/VEX). No other 1712 mentor or teacher could lead the trip, we didn't have the registration funds, and even if all of that would have come together I was way too busy preparing to run inspections and referees for the other teams around the globe, including yours, to even hope to have the time to plan a trip in two weeks turn around from when they qualified.
So, I suppose, this is all a matter of perspective. I encourage you to become an event volunteer some day and learn how difficult and rewarding of an experience it is. I had an awesome time in Dallas and would do it all over again tomorrow if I could. I hope you get to feeling that way, too. The experiences you had in Dallas, both positive and negative, will serve you well in life if you allow them to.