Plate swapping

  1. last year

    Manitha

    16 Nov 2016 Brampton, Ontario 99000B

    while i would consider this to be unethical, are there any rules preventing this. and if not what are your opinions on doing this?
    to clarify, im talking about swapping plates for different competitions, swapping them at the same competition is obviously illegal.

    @Manitha while i would consider this to be unethical, are there any rules preventing this. and if not what are your opinions on doing this?

    After considerable discussion, this was actually ruled to be illegal last year.

    https://www.vexforum.com/index.php/17495-answered-one-driver-on-different-teams-at-different-events

    I'll quote the important part:

    Once a Robot (defined as Subsystems 1 and 2) is entered in an event under a given team ID#, the Robot may not compete under any other team ID# at any subsequent event.

    The intent here is not to prevent teams from upgrading or changing their own robots. The intent is to prevent one Robot being used to compete for multiple teams.

  2. 9065_Parker

    16 Nov 2016 Platte City Missouri 9065C

    do you mean license plates? one robot cannot compete for two different teams if thats what your asking (technically you cant, but that rule is really hard to enforce)

  3. Edited last year by Highwayman

    There's no rule preventing a robot from competing under different teams at different competitions. It is, however, widely viewed as unethical.

    Never mind; see Karthik's reply. I should have remembered that Q&A

  4. 9065_Parker

    16 Nov 2016 Platte City Missouri 9065C

    thats true, its very unethical however, but the rule i assumed meant that said

    This is not legal. Once a robot has been inspected under one team number, it is locked to that team number for the duration of the competition. Robots may not be shared by multiple teams.

    so yeah, during competition its not legal, but afterwards and in between it is, it is however a scumbag move

  5. [TVA]Connor

    16 Nov 2016 South Texas 1814D
    Edited last year by [TVA]Connor

    <R1> Only one (1) robot will be allowed to compete per team in the VEX Robotics Competition.
    Though it is expected that teams will make changes to their robot at the competition, a team is limited
    to only one (1) robot. As such, a VEX robot, for the purposes of the VEX Robotics Competition, has
    the following subsystems:
    Subsystem 1: Mobile robotic base including wheels, tracks, legs, or any other mechanism that allows
    the robot to navigate the majority of the flat playing field surface. For a stationary robot, the robotic
    base without wheels would be considered Subsystem 1.
    Subsystem 2: Power and control system that includes a VEX legal battery, a VEX control system,
    and associated motors for the mobile robotic base.
    Subsystem 3: Additional mechanisms (and associated motors) that allow manipulation of game
    objects or navigation of field obstacles.

    So... If you change subsystem 2 of your robot during a competition, it is not legal.

    BUT if you switch robots after a competition for another competition, this is perfectly legal. Although it is legal, it is highly advised to not do because it is unethical and not right for other teams...
    How would you like to see a middle school team bring a high school built robot to a middle school competition?

  6. 9065_Parker

    16 Nov 2016 Platte City Missouri 9065C

    ^^ exactly

    @CATaclysm Delta_II So... This talks about exchanging robots during matches during a competition being illegal.

    BUT if you switch robots after a competition for another competition, this is perfectly legal. Although it is legal, it is highly advised to not do because it is unethical and not right for other teams...
    How would you like to see a middle school team bring a high school built robot to a middle school competition?

  7. Karthik

    16 Nov 2016 Administrator Answer Toronto, ON, Canada

    @Manitha while i would consider this to be unethical, are there any rules preventing this. and if not what are your opinions on doing this?

    After considerable discussion, this was actually ruled to be illegal last year.

    https://www.vexforum.com/index.php/17495-answered-one-driver-on-different-teams-at-different-events

    I'll quote the important part:

    Once a Robot (defined as Subsystems 1 and 2) is entered in an event under a given team ID#, the Robot may not compete under any other team ID# at any subsequent event.

    The intent here is not to prevent teams from upgrading or changing their own robots. The intent is to prevent one Robot being used to compete for multiple teams.

  8. 9065_Parker

    16 Nov 2016 Platte City Missouri 9065C

    @Karthik thanks for pointing that out

  9. Manitha

    16 Nov 2016 Brampton, Ontario 99000B

    @Karthik
    that makes sense, but i do see a couple problems with that.

    1. this would be incredibly hard to enforce,
    2. this rule could falsely catch teams that legitimately clone their robot.
  10. [TVA]Connor

    16 Nov 2016 South Texas 1814D
    Edited last year by [TVA]Connor

    this would be incredibly hard to enforce,

    I agree with that... If that rule states that says grabbing another robot from another team is illegal, then they should also add a rule saying that mentors/adults aren't allowed to build the robot. Saying that adults aren't allowed to build the robot is just as hard to enfoce, especially when all you need to do for the rule of taking another robot is rename the cortex's name to the current team you're at.

  11. 9065_Parker

    16 Nov 2016 Platte City Missouri 9065C
    Edited last year by 9065_Parker

    @Manitha @Karthik
    that makes sense, but i do see a couple problems with that.

    1. this would be incredibly hard to enforce,
    2. this rule could falsely catch teams that legitimately clone their robot.

    Yeah, its more of a rule for ethics, so that they can enforce it if they do catch somone, however before, it was legal. They dont hope to catch everyone, but the people resposable can be held responsable

  12. Karthik

    16 Nov 2016 Administrator Toronto, ON, Canada
    Edited last year by Karthik

    @Manitha @Karthik
    that makes sense, but i do see a couple problems with that.

    1. this would be incredibly hard to enforce,
    2. this rule could falsely catch teams that legitimately clone their robot.

    You are absolutely correct. This is incredibly hard to enforce and if teams really want to break this rule, they'll find a way to break this rule. However, last season there were teams who were flagrantly violating this rule, and as such we had to make this official ruling to stop them. It especially became a concern in VEX U, since some regions had rules that a team could only attend one official qualifying event.

    @9065_parker Yeah, its more of a rule for ethics, so that they can enforce it if they do catch somone, however before, it was legal. They dont hope to catch everyone, but the people resposable can be held responsable

    Yes, this is correct.

  13. 7 months ago

    Daud Jon

    12 Nov 2017 Brampton Ontario 99000X

    @Manitha while i would consider this to be unethical, are there any rules preventing this. and if not what are your opinions on doing this?
    to clarify, im talking about swapping plates for different competitions, swapping them at the same competition is obviously illegal.

    Don't be a cheater

  14. Manitha

    12 Nov 2017 Brampton, Ontario 99000B

    @Daud Jon Don't be a cheater

    that is a strong accusation.

  15. tabor473

    12 Nov 2017 V5 Beta Tester OYES, WPI

    @Daud Jon Don't be a cheater

    He was literally asking, "is this legal".

 

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