Is defensive play strictly prohibited?

  1. 9 months ago

    Was reading through the rules and it says that In The Zone is mainly an offensive game, but I'm wondering if defense is allowed. For example, if we knock all the cones off of the other teams stationary goal or block them from accessing the goals. Would these make you immediately lose the match? I understand the objective is to get as many points as possible, but It would be very easy to knock every cone off the opposing goal at the end and make the opponent lose many points.

  2. Brian_9605A

    10 Sep 2017 MA (Southern New England) 9605A

    Please continue reading the rules before posting on the forum.

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  4. sankeydd

    11 Sep 2017 Event Partner
    Edited 9 months ago by sankeydd

    @Brian_9605A Please continue reading the rules before posting on the forum.

    +1 for saying please.

    A quick search will find discussion on some defensive robots as well.

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  6. [TVA]Connor

    11 Sep 2017 South Texas 1814D
    Edited 9 months ago by DRow

    @DRow can you help...
    So basically speaking, building a robot with its' main purpose is solely on defense is prohibited as in the rule of <G-12>. But, if you are doing defensive as a secondary strategy it is legal to do. Some good ways to have defensive strategies are to descore opponents' mobile goals in their 5 point zone, blocking the opponents from scoring cones on their mobile goals, and blocking the opponents' autoloader. Those are only a few, though. I will have to say that @Brian_9605A was just giving advice, so please I'd appreciate it if you can calm down to ensure a friendly environment. It is very important that you read the manual thoroughly before you do create a conversation about the rules, but I can say since you didn't go straight to the Q&A to ask I'd give you props :). Another thing, I'd appreciate it if you read the forum rules thoroughly as well.
    Thank you, and hopefully this helps!
    - [TVA] Delta III

  7. Haley_6671X

    11 Sep 2017 California 6671X
    Edited 9 months ago by Haley_6671X

    As a member of the VEX community and an active member of this forum, I'm thoroughly appalled by the language used in this post. @DRow Please remove this thread.

  8. meng

    11 Sep 2017 Singapore 8059

    @[TVA Delta_III]@
    So basically speaking, building a robot with its' main purpose is solely on defense is prohibited as in the rule of <G-12>. But, if you are doing defensive as a secondary strategy it is legal to do.

    I wouldn't say a pure defensive robot is prohibited.


    <G12> Strategies aimed solely at the destruction, damage, tipping over, or Entanglement of Robots
    are not part of the ethos of the VEX Robotics Competition and are not allowed. However, VEX
    Robotics Competition In the Zone is an interactive game. Some incidental tipping, Entanglement,
    and damage may occur as a part of normal game play. If the tipping, Entanglement, or damage is
    ruled to be intentional or egregious, the offending Team may be disqualified from that Match.
    Repeated offenses could result in a Team being Disqualified from the remainder of the competition.
    VEX Robotics Competition In the Zone is intended to be an offensive game. Teams that partake in
    solely defensive strategies will undergo extra scrutiny in regard to <G12>. In the case where
    referees are forced to make a judgment call on interaction between a defensive and offensive
    Robot, the referees will err on the side of the offensive Robot.

    Strategies that aimed solely at destruction, damage, tipping over are strictly prohibited.

    But defensive robot is not banned - solely defensive strategies will undergo extra scrutiny that's all.

  9. Anomaly

    11 Sep 2017 Suspended @DRow there is no reason for m... @DRow there is no reason for m...
    Edited 9 months ago by Anomaly

    Alrighty guys, we don't all need to attack @Jmidd13. He should remove the offensive language from his post, and the rest of us should chill and stop responding to this thread. The question has been answered, and there's nothing more to say.

    (Edited because my original post was passive aggressive and an echo of previous posts).

  10. DRow

    11 Sep 2017 Administrator Greenville, TX 148B (Alumni, 2009-10)

    I've deleted a post for offensive language, and a few others for quoting it.

  11. Edited 9 months ago by Jmidd13

    Looks like people are uptight about my prior response which was deleted. Honestly , didn't expect everyone to be angry at that. Anyway, no one on here still has a direct answer to my original question. Of course I know about entanglement and tipping, but I really was asking about moving opponents cones and goals. That is described here
    " <SG5> Robots may not intentionally or accidentally, indirectly or directly, remove Cones from an
    opponent’s Stack (i.e. Cones that are fully nested on an opponent's upright Goal).
    a. A Robot that accidentally knocks over an opponent’s Goal, causing Cones to be removed,
    would be in violation of this rule. Teams should exercise extreme caution when interacting
    with or around opponent Goals."

    I'm also shocked by Anomaly's paragraph message scolding me for "cursing".

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  13. Alumination Robotics

    12 Sep 2017 Boerne, Texas 26982E

    @Jmidd13 I'm also shocked by DRow's 8 paragraph message scolding me for "cursing".

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  14. Aponthis

    12 Sep 2017 Gilbert, Arizona Formerly 127A, 127C, 127X

    @Jmidd13 Looks like people are uptight about my prior response which was deleted. Honestly , didn't expect everyone to be angry at that. Anyway, no one on here still has a direct answer to my original question. Of course I know about entanglement and tipping, but I really was asking about moving opponents cones and goals. That is described here
    " <SG5> Robots may not intentionally or accidentally, indirectly or directly, remove Cones from an
    opponent’s Stack (i.e. Cones that are fully nested on an opponent's upright Goal).
    a. A Robot that accidentally knocks over an opponent’s Goal, causing Cones to be removed,
    would be in violation of this rule. Teams should exercise extreme caution when interacting
    with or around opponent Goals."

    I'm also shocked by DRow's 8 paragraph message scolding me for "cursing".

    It's in the forum rules. "Curse words and/or vulgarity will not be tolerated...." This forum is meant to be appropriate for all ages, and I don't think that has ever been an issue of debate. I don't see anything from @DRow scolding you, either. :)

    I would be wary of alienating yourself from multiple users (and a moderator) on this forum right off the bat. There is really no need to come back with more hostility after 1. Being called out for violating forum rules and 2. Having a post deleted for violating forum rules.

  15. My bad. It was Anomaly's 360 word message. He was very polite and helpful, but the length is what got me. This whole forum is full of people who take it way to seriously quoting rules and what not. I just asked a broad question and got backlash for my response to a response. I was telling my friends about thisittle hostility and they're laughing and I am too.

  16. JustinM

    12 Sep 2017 Phoenix/Tempe, AZ

    @Jmidd13 My bad. It was Anomaly's 360 word message. He was very polite and helpful, but the length is what got me. This whole forum is full of people who take it way to seriously quoting rules and what not. I just asked a broad question and got backlash for my response to a response. I was telling my friends about thisittle hostility and they're laughing and I am too.

    The hostility comes from you saying that you had not even read all of the rules at the time of your post. All of your questions are answered in the rules. Reread your post again and just see how it sounds so someone who has now read the rules a few times.

    Also just wanted to point out that your most recent post was longer than Anomaly's post...

  17. Alumination Robotics

    12 Sep 2017 Boerne, Texas 26982E

    @JustinM The hostility comes from you saying that you had not even read all of the rules at the time of your post. All of your questions are answered in the rules. Reread your post again and just see how it sounds so someone who has now read the rules a few times.

    Also just wanted to point out that your most recent post was longer than Anomaly's post...

    As a person who has read the rules book at least 5 times (some parts more than others), It truly frustrates me when people are lazy and just ask on the forum, knowing they'll get the correct response from some kind person. Thank you to all of those kind people that make this forum such a nice place to find information.

  18. Anomaly

    12 Sep 2017 Suspended @DRow there is no reason for m... @DRow there is no reason for m...
    Edited 9 months ago by Anomaly

    @Jmidd13 I'm also shocked by Anomaly's paragraph message scolding me for "cursing".

    @Jmidd13 My bad. It was Anomaly's 360 word message. He was very polite and helpful, but the length is what got me. This whole forum is full of people who take it way to seriously quoting rules and what not.

    To clarify, I sent @Jmidd13 a pm welcoming him to the forums, clarifying the rule, giving him a heads up about the Q and A and forum policy, and linking him to a private video of my recent competition I thought his team would find helpful. I considered the pm positive and constructive, but apparently he did not, so I have removed it to avoid future conflict. It was maybe 10 sentences long and took 2 minutes to write.

    What you will find is the forum is full of an excellent community of nerds who are interested in helping you and getting help. Because we are all vex competitors, we have all read to the rules, so it is frustrating when somebody doesn't know the basics.

    @Jmidd13 I was telling my friends about thisittle hostility and they're laughing and I am too.

    There is worldwide 150 team vex discord with an entire channel to "roast VEX forum posts." (Their words, not mine.) You are currently the main subject of the chat.

  19. Wheres the discord invite? I'll explain on there. Also my most recent post was long because I copied a large section from the rule book.

  20. Aponthis

    12 Sep 2017 Gilbert, Arizona Formerly 127A, 127C, 127X
    Edited 9 months ago by Aponthis

    @Jmidd13 My bad. It was Anomaly's 360 word message. He was very polite and helpful, but the length is what got me. This whole forum is full of people who take it way to seriously quoting rules and what not. I just asked a broad question and got backlash for my response to a response. I was telling my friends about thisittle hostility and they're laughing and I am too.

    Here's a life lesson, you can't say "my bad" and then spend the rest of a message making excuses about why others are responsible for bad behavior. Well, you can, but that does not constitute a real apology. If you don't intend to apologize, I don't particularly care. I'm far more stubborn sometimes. But don't be surprised when such a statement isn't taken as a genuine apology in the future. Extreme example:
    "Why did you slap Benji? You should apologize."
    'Benji, I'm sorry for my actions, but your face is extremely slappable."

    Edit: I was mistaken on what the "my bad" corresponded to. Life lesson is still applicable, though, so it stays. "My bad." ;)

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