My answer to "Intent to break a rule"

  1. 5 months ago

    536Mentor

    Sep 11 Event Partner, V5 Beta Tester Appleton, WI 536
    Edited 5 months ago by 536Mentor

    Highwayman

    Is it specifically the inclusion of the language " Strategies aimed solely at . . . are not part of the ethos of the VEX Robotics Competition and are not allowed" in G12, that makes it illegal (and therefore grounds for disqualification) to show intent to violate this rule? By showing intent, I mean a team clearly attempts to damage, tip over, or entangle their opponents without succeeding in doing so.

    I think the "intent" to violate the rule is only meant to mean that it is understood that in the normal interaction between robots there will possibly be some destruction, damage, tipping over, or Entanglement caused to one robot by another, therefore it becomes a question of whether, in the referee's judgement, that damage, etc. was intentional. A robot driven in a way that intends to violate G12, but is unsuccessful, would not be in violation as it only becomes in violation is there actually destruction, damage, tipping over, or Entanglement. See the bold type in the full quote of the rule below. As a referee, if I saw a robot attempting to cause destruction, damage, tipping over, or Entanglement, but was not successful, I would certainly pull that team aside after their match and let them know that continuing to attempt that strategy may certainly be grounds for disqualification, particularly if they succeed. Severe violations, in my opinion as an event partner, may be grounds for disqualification from the event.

    <G12> Strategies aimed solely at the destruction, damage, tipping over, or Entanglement of Robots are not part of the ethos of the VEX Robotics Competition and are not allowed. However, VEX Robotics Competition In the Zone is an interactive game. Some incidental tipping, Entanglement, and damage may occur as a part of normal game play. If the tipping, Entanglement, or damage is ruled to be intentional or egregious, the offending Team may be disqualified from that Match. Repeated offenses could result in a Team being Disqualified from the remainder of the competition.

    Or is it illegal to intend to violate any rule in the game manual regardless of whether the team actually succeeds?

    Is a rule violated if the attempt to violate the rule is unsuccessful? To me, this is more of an ethical question.

  2. Avery_8675A

    Sep 11 Valley, NE 8675A
    Edited 5 months ago by Avery_8675A

    @536Mentor Highwayman

    Is a rule violated if the attempt to violate the rule is unsuccessful?

    If someone is attempting to violate G12 it is up to the head referee no matter if they were successful or not in deciding if it was a rule violation.

  3. Edited 5 months ago by Highwayman

    @536Mentor A robot driven in a way that intends to violate G12, but is unsuccessful, would not be in violation as it only becomes in violation is there actually destruction, damage, tipping over, or Entanglement.

    This was basically my interpretation too, until about 5 months ago.

  4. Aponthis

    Sep 12 Gilbert, Arizona 127X

    @Highwayman This was basically my interpretation too, until about 5 months ago.

    Yep. Round Robin DQ from Starstruck does not agree.

  5. 536Mentor

    Sep 12 Event Partner, V5 Beta Tester Appleton, WI 536

    @Avery Hoffmann&nbsp; If someone is attempting to violate G12 it is up to the head referee no matter if they were successful or not in deciding if it was a rule violation.

    As I mentioned in my post, as a referee, if I saw a robot (unsuccessfully) attempt to violate G12, I certainly would pull them aside after the match and give them a warning that to continue to do so could and most likely would result in a DQ.

 

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