1. 8 months ago

    I was wondering, would teams be allowed to rotate a cone before the match starts, without moving it? I couldn't find the exact place in the manual, but I believe it says that cones don't need to be any specific orientation. Would this be up to the competition judges or not allowed at all?

  2. 9065_Parker

    10 Oct 2017 Platte City Missouri 9065C

    @fence900 I was wondering, would teams be allowed to rotate a cone before the match starts, without moving it? I couldn't find the exact place in the manual, but I believe it says that cones don't need to be any specific orientation. Would this be up to the competition judges or not allowed at all?

    you should ask this in the official in the zone q and a, its a solid question and you wont receive official answers here

  3. TheColdedge

    10 Oct 2017 Columbus, Indiana 1483
    Edited 8 months ago by TheColdedge

    @fence900 I was wondering, would teams be allowed to rotate a cone before the match starts, without moving it? I couldn't find the exact place in the manual, but I believe it says that cones don't need to be any specific orientation. Would this be up to the competition judges or not allowed at all?

    Negative.

    The Ref training videos specifically state that you may not rotate the cones prior to the match starting.
    Video link

  4. Deleted 8 months ago by TheColdedge
  5. n5vei

    10 Oct 2017 Mississippi # 7536 A, 7536 B, 7536 C, 7536...

    It is in the rules and training videos. The answer is "no"

  6. Ok. Thanks everyone

  7. biglesliep

    17 Oct 2017 Menlo Park, CA 1666

    We've been to 2 tournaments so far, and many, many, many teams reach over the perimeter and adjust cones before the match. I know they're not supposed to do it, but it is happening regularly in my area (NorCal).

  8. lacsap

    17 Oct 2017 Event Partner, V5 Beta Tester Massachusetts 9791[a-z]

    @biglesliep We've been to 2 tournaments so far, and many, many, many teams reach over the perimeter and adjust cones before the match. I know they're not supposed to do it, but it is happening regularly in my area (NorCal).

    Teams should not be touching the objects after a field reset. Hypothetically, the referee could wait until their robots are placed for the start of the match - warn the team, then reposition the cones "arbitrarily".

    As you note, teams should not EVER move game objects.

  9. I don't agree with the statement of NEVER moving the game objects, because I know that it has been the case before that certain field reset crews did not set up the field correctly and in order to make it correct. I have reached in and moved objects to their correct positions. Of course I moved the objects after asking the ref and getting their permission.

  10. biglesliep

    17 Oct 2017 Menlo Park, CA 1666

    Many many field resetters in Starstruck did not get the 3 stars along the field perimeter in the correct locations or orientations, and it was very very common to fix it oneself.

  11. Aponthis

    18 Oct 2017 Gilbert, Arizona Formerly 127A, 127C, 127X

    @lacsap Teams should not be touching the objects after a field reset. Hypothetically, the referee could wait until their robots are placed for the start of the match - warn the team, then reposition the cones "arbitrarily".

    As you note, teams should not EVER move game objects.

    If they are moving the cones for orientation, then I would randomly reposition the cones for sure. If they are doing it because it is far off, then I wouldn't care as a referee (and I have been a referee before, it's not just a hypothetical).

  12. lacsap

    18 Oct 2017 Event Partner, V5 Beta Tester Massachusetts 9791[a-z]

    @Tylennis I don't agree with the statement of NEVER moving the game objects, because I know that it has been the case before that certain field reset crews did not set up the field correctly and in order to make it correct. I have reached in and moved objects to their correct positions. Of course I moved the objects after asking the ref and getting their permission.

    Let me clarify, I should have stated a team should never move game objects after a field reset without the consent of the referee and the knowledge of the other alliance.

  13. lacsap

    18 Oct 2017 Event Partner, V5 Beta Tester Massachusetts 9791[a-z]

    @Aponthis If they are moving the cones for orientation, then I would randomly reposition the cones for sure. If they are doing it because it is far off, then I wouldn't care as a referee (and I have been a referee before, it's not just a hypothetical).

    If a team is moving game objects without your consent, it is inappropriate. Just the perception issue would give me pause.

  14. Aponthis

    18 Oct 2017 Gilbert, Arizona Formerly 127A, 127C, 127X

    @lacsap If a team is moving game objects without your consent, it is inappropriate. Just the perception issue would give me pause.

    It happens all the time here. Probably because the field resetters are seeing the field for the first time. Most referees are well-known by the teams and okay with this, but I would definitely ask first if unfamilair with the referees (which I did at Worlds).

  15. lacsap

    18 Oct 2017 Event Partner, V5 Beta Tester Massachusetts 9791[a-z]

    @Aponthis It happens all the time here. Probably because the field resetters are seeing the field for the first time. Most referees are well-known by the teams and okay with this, but I would definitely ask first if unfamilair with the referees (which I did at Worlds).

    I would ask the referee, more so, if I were familiar with the referee. Think of the other teams who may not have the same familiarity with the referee, or spectators. It is the perception of impropriety in this situation that makes it more important to explicitly ask the referee before touching game objects after a field reset.

    The situation described was of a team reaching in and changing the orientation of the cones, not the position. Not ok.

  16. Aponthis

    18 Oct 2017 Gilbert, Arizona Formerly 127A, 127C, 127X

    @lacsap I would ask the referee, more so, if I were familiar with the referee. Think of the other teams who may not have the same familiarity with the referee, or spectators. It is the perception of impropriety in this situation that makes it more important to explicitly ask the referee before touching game objects after a field reset.

    I mean, I've never been suspicious of someone adjusting a game object unless it looked good enough already. Even then, it's not a big deal to me, or anyone I've met.

    @lacsap The situation described was of a team reaching in and changing the orientation of the cones, not the position. Not ok.

    I agree, and I said as much in my first post. That is explicitly prohibited.

 

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