@NightsRosario Lol, This is seeming to be an argument, so I'm just gonna say my last rebuttal here.
1.) If you see the general trend of things, people are starting to make larger loads faster. 202, 1970K, 8675, and many other teams are now making 1-2 stacks of 11-13 a match. From personal experience, say you have a 2 motor lift and a 4 motor lift where the 4 motor lift is on a faster ratio. The difference is noticeable after ~7 cones. The difference in speed will most certainly affect the next 4-6 cones. Also, 4-bar speed should not come into play in this argument. I'm assuming that everyone has a ratio that's ~1:1. 1 motor or 2 motors really doesn't matter. Same with intake speed. Not really a factor in this argument
2.) The matter is not about the weight of the things you are lifting but rather how fast you lift said objects. The "advantage of 2 motors" that you say will be "nearly negligible" is the ability to go to a faster ratio. While acceleration is still a thing, it should still be faster.
3.) the advantages are not in limited circumstances but rather overall through the tourney. The only reason I see to still have a 6 motor turbo drive base is speed and that isn't even necessary for a drive in this game. Also, referencing my side note, defense will be dead by Worlds, so that takes care of the remaining rebuttals.
Side Note: Bryan, please don't make me write another post on this subject. We can argue on out own time
I mean this is a thread about this exact topic, so I think debate and discussion is good.
I definitely see your point, and I really think it depends on what the driver is able to best take advantage of and how the team chooses to play each match. For example, when stacking from the loader, a 4m lift is the clear winner. For being more active on the field, a 6m drive has the advantage. For those listening in at home, consider how you plan to use your robot, and allocate motors accordingly.
My driver is great at taking advantage of the drive base, and noticeably less good at stacking consistently, so I've tried to tailor my robot to his strengths. Also, stalling is super annoying.
I really disagree about defense, though. It's a very useful tool in any match, and I've seen it used to turn the tide in matches where one side seemed a lot better than the other. Also, defense bots are great for skills, arguably the easiest way to worlds, and are easy to build. I don't like it, but I think there will be a lot of defense bots at worlds.