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    action000

    Feb 12 Event Partner

    I think everyone is aware that the Programming Skills is the first tiebreaker for the Skills rankings. However, what are the rest?

    My guess was 1) Score 2) Programming Score 3) Highest Programming Score, 4) Highest Driver Score, 5) Timestamp - first in wins.

    I'm not sure about #3 and #4, but I do know that #5 is not correct. You'd think this would be published somewhere, but I can't find it. Anyone know?

  2. Ethan W.

    Feb 12 99402D

    straight out of the skills manual,

    • For each Skills Match teams are awarded a score based on the above scoring rules.
    • Teams will be ranked based on the sum of their highest Programming Skills Match score and
    Driver Skills Match score, with the team with the highest sum being declared the Robot Skills
    Challenge Winner.
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    • In the case where two teams are tied for the highest score, the tie will be broken by looking
    at both teams’ next highest Programming Skills Match score. If the teams remain tied, the tie
    will be broken by looking at both teams’ next highest Driver Skills Match score. This process
    will repeat until the tie is broken.
    • If the tie cannot be broken (i.e. both teams have the exact same scores for each
    Programming Skills Match and Driver Skills Match), then the following ordered criteria will be
    used to determine which team had the “best” Programming Skills Match.

    1. Number of points for Mobile Goals in 20 Point Zones.
    2. Number of points for Mobile Goals in 10 Point Zones.
    3. Number of points for Mobile Goals in 5 Point Zones.
    4. Number of points for Stacked Cones.

    • If the tie still cannot be broken, the same process in the step above will be applied to the
    teams' best Driver Skills Match.
    • If the tie still isn’t broken, events may choose to allow teams to have one more deciding
    match or both teams will be declared the winner.

  3. action000

    Feb 12 Event Partner
    Edited last week by action000

    @Ethan W. My understanding is that is for an event, not for the Skills Rankings. That is used to determine who would win an award at an event. What are the tiebreakers in the World Skills Rankings when the of the scores are exactly the same across the board?

    See example ... why is 244B ahead of 3767A? Why is 248G ahead of 288G? They had the exact same number of goals in the same zones, etc.

  4. action000

    Feb 12 Event Partner

    And IF this part is correct: "In the case where two teams are tied for the highest score, the tie will be broken by looking at both teams’ next highest Programming Skills Match score. If the teams remain tied, the tie
    will be broken by looking at both teams’ next highest Driver Skills Match score. This process
    will repeat until the tie is broken." than the Skills rankings that I showed is NOT correct. 288G has multiple programming skills scores of 52 whereas 248G has only done it once.

    (I'm a mentor for both teams, so I'm very familiar with them ... even 248G was surprised to see them ranked ahead of 288G).

  5. Doug Moyers

    Feb 12 Austin, TX 8756 - Mentor

    Clearly the tie breaker is the team number.

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  7. action000

    Feb 12 Event Partner

    @Doug Moyers Clearly the tie breaker is the team number.

    As crazy as it may seem, I was thinking that you may be right. But then 7700S is ranked above 315G.

    The only thing that i can think of is that it isn't going by the 2nd best Prog Skills, then 2nd best Robot Skills, etc. like the rules say but is going by the 2nd best Robot Skills score - which would be really bad because that isn't what the rules say and isn't documented anywhere. That could/would influence what teams do.

  8. 6 days ago

    A tie breaker can also be determined by which team took the fewest attempts to achieve their score.
    For example, Team A takes 1 attempt to complete driver skills and 1 attempt to complete programming skills, while Team B takes 2 attempts to complete driver skills and 2 attempts to complete programming skills to achieve the same score. This would mean that Team A's robot was more efficient and therefore they should be ranked higher. (Just a suggestion).

  9. 5 days ago

    action000

    Feb 13 Event Partner

    @CraftBro A tie breaker can also be determined by which team took the fewest attempts to achieve their score.
    For example, Team A takes 1 attempt to complete driver skills and 1 attempt to complete programming skills, while Team B takes 2 attempts to complete driver skills and 2 attempts to complete programming skills to achieve the same score. This would mean that Team A's robot was more efficient and therefore they should be ranked higher. (Just a suggestion).

    Eh. I don't like that at all. It could/would discourage a team from trying to get better.

 

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