Horisonal Expansion Legality

  1. last week

    Forrest Keller

    May 16 Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam 76209X

    Hey. I am just asking to check if it is legal to, when the match begins, drop a bar with an omni wheel at the end, allowing us to have the wheel in the expansion zone, so we can expand upwards outside of it, and hit balls a few inches away from the flag. Thanks!

    a. Once the Match begins, a Robot which is contacting the Expansion Zone may expand
    vertically with no height limit. However, once fully outside of the Expansion Zone (i.e. no
    longer contacting it), the Robot must return to a height limit of 18” (45.72 mm) tall.

    b. Once the Match begins, Robots may expand, but no horizontal dimension can exceed 36”
    (914.4 mm) at any point during the Match.

    I don't see anything in the rules specifically against that, and the only specification for expanding over 18" is to be contacting the expansion zone with any part of the robot so I feel like it should be OK

  2. RougeScaless

    May 16 Bangkok 2979C, 2979A

    Do you mean vertical? Vertical is upwards and horizontal is sideways. You can expand sideways for 36 inches but if you are talking about vertical, then you can't do that. The upwards expansion it self of the robot has to be within 18 if the expansion it self is outside the expansion zone.

  3. JamsG

    May 16 Answer a place in southern california 310A
    Edited last week by JamsG

    a. Once the Match begins, a Robot which is contacting the Expansion Zone may expand
    vertically with no height limit. However, once fully outside of the Expansion Zone (i.e. no
    longer contacting it), the Robot must return to a height limit of 18” (45.72 mm) tall.

    b. Once the Match begins, Robots may expand, but no horizontal dimension can exceed 36”
    (914.4 mm) at any point during the Match.

    I don't see anything in the rules specifically against that, and the only specification for expanding over 18" is to be contacting the expansion zone with any part of the robot so I feel like it should be OK

  4. Forrest Keller

    May 16 Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam 76209X

    @RougeScaless Do you mean vertical? Vertical is upwards and horizontal is sideways. You can expand sideways for 36 inches but if you are talking about vertical, then you can't do that. The upwards expansion it self of the robot has to be within 18 if the expansion it self is outside the expansion zone.

    No, I am referencing horizontal expansion. Apologies for the confusion.

  5. Forrest Keller

    May 16 Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam 76209X

    @JamsG I don't see anything in the rules specifically against that, and the only specification for expanding over 18" is to be contacting the expansion zone with any part of the robot so I feel like it should be OK

    Thanks for the response. Just wanted to double check with you all. :)

  6. RougeScaless

    May 16 Bangkok 2979C, 2979A

    Okay. I get it now. So you want to expand horizontally for 36 inches and expand upwards outside the expansion zone right? I looked at where @JamsG was looking and found that you COULD do that. Wow. That's surprising. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

  7. Forrest Keller

    May 16 Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam 76209X

    @RougeScaless Okay. I get it now. So you want to expand horizontally for 36 inches and expand upwards outside the expansion zone right? I looked at where @JamsG was looking and found that you COULD do that. Wow. That's surprising. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

    No worries. I think teams that can do this well might be a bit OP...

  8. RougeScaless

    May 16 Bangkok 2979C, 2979A

    @Forrest Keller Yeah. But then wouldn't it be hard to get the middle flags? Because if you get the ball launcher on the expanding parts, its harder to shoot the center flags because it is too far away from either side right? It also wastes time getting from one side to the other of the field because of having to retract the lift and opening the lift up again or going through the U shape of the expansion zone.

  9. JamsG

    May 16 a place in southern california 310A
    Edited last week by JamsG

    @RougeScaless @Forrest Keller Yeah. But then wouldn't it be hard to get the middle flags? Because if you get the ball launcher on the expanding parts, its harder to shoot the center flags because it is too far away from either side right? It also wastes time getting from one side to the other of the field because of having to retract the lift and opening the lift up again or going through the U shape of the expansion zone.

    to add on to this the distance between the flags and expansion zone is quite large and being able to hit the mid and high flags in only a few inches away is going to require lots of horizontal expansion, probably more than what is actually allowed

    i think just creating a flywheel/puncher/catapult that can easily hit shots right in front of the flags would save more time and resources

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  10. RougeScaless

    May 16 Bangkok 2979C, 2979A

    @JamG The difference is about 35 inches because of the limit which is 36. And minus the omi wheel part that would be 35. That is about 1.4 tiles. And its quite risky that the whole robot moves out of the expansion zone by mistake etc.

  11. Forrest Keller

    May 16 Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam 76209X

    @JamsG to add on to this the distance between the flags and expansion zone is quite large and being able to hit the mid and high flags in only a few inches away is going to require lots of horizontal expansion, probably more than what is actually allowed

    i think just creating a flywheel/puncher/catapult that can easily hit shots right in front of the flags would save more time and resources

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    Yah, probably. I was just brainstorming ideas. Thanks for the help!

 

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