Pictures of Internals of V5 components [WARNING LOTS OF IMAGES]

  1. 7 weeks ago

    sazrocks

    Oct 22 Arizona 2114V
    Edited 7 weeks ago by sazrocks

    I got some requests to post the pictures I took while disassembling and reassembling my V5 components, so here they are.

    [DISCLAIMER: Don't take this as a guide in any way. Don't do this unless you really know what you are doing and are willing to replace the part you are messing with. For the curious of you (like me), I took pictures so you wouldn't have to do this.]

    Let's start things off with the motor:
    Front cap removed:
    Photo Sep 05, 4 23 00 PM.jpg
    Casing separated:
    Photo Sep 05, 4 25 20 PM.jpg
    Better look of rear assembly:
    Photo Sep 05, 4 25 42 PM.jpg
    Rear cap removed:
    Photo Sep 05, 4 36 00 PM.jpg
    Better view of back of PCB:
    Photo Sep 05, 4 41 46 PM.jpg
    Front of PCB:
    Photo Sep 05, 4 58 06 PM.jpg

    Next we'll move on to the joystick:
    Front casing removed:
    Photo Sep 09, 2 22 09 PM.jpg
    Button casing removed:
    Photo Sep 09, 2 25 40 PM.jpg
    Button casing:
    Photo Sep 09, 2 25 43 PM.jpg
    PCBs removed and rumble motor:
    Photo Sep 09, 2 27 45 PM.jpg
    Rumble motor:
    Photo Sep 09, 2 27 51 PM.jpg
    Battery:
    Photo Sep 09, 2 27 54 PM.jpg
    Better look at PCB surrounding the Competition Port:
    Photo Sep 09, 2 36 46 PM.jpg
    Processor:
    Photo Sep 09, 2 33 20 PM.jpg

    And finally, the brain:
    Rear cover removed:
    Photo Sep 05, 5 13 55 PM.jpg
    Casing separated:
    Photo Sep 05, 5 20 59 PM.jpg
    Top of PCB w/ARM A9 based SOC:
    Photo Sep 05, 5 20 54 PM.jpg

    And that's it! I didn't open the battery because I've heard that those are sealed (glued), and also poking screwdrivers near lithium cells is not something I wanted to do. Ask any questions about the pictures below and I'll try to answer them.

  2. Barin

    Oct 22 Arizona
    Edited 7 weeks ago by Barin

    THANK YOU!!!

    Edit: Is that just an 18650 powering the controller?

  3. @Barin THANK YOU!!!

    Edit: Is that just an 18650 powering the controller?

    lasts for days

  4. sazrocks

    Oct 22 Arizona 2114V

    @Barin Is that just an 18650 powering the controller?

    Don't know for sure; I didn't see any markings on it. They might have been under the adhesive. But yeah, as phantom said, the battery life is more than enough. I actually just now charged it up for the first time in like a month (granted its been used intermittently but still).

  5. Barin

    Oct 22 Arizona

    @sazrocks Don't know for sure; I didn't see any markings on it. They might have been under the adhesive. But yeah, as phantom said, the battery life is more than enough. I actually just now charged it up for the first time in like a month (granted its been used intermittently but still).

    18650 = 18mm diameter, 65mm length
    You can just measure the battery to determine.

  6. 5 weeks ago

    sazrocks

    Nov 9 Arizona 2114V
    Edited 5 weeks ago by sazrocks

    Updating this with pictures of the Gear cartridges (unfortunately I can't seem to edit the OP any more so I'll put them here):
    I'll do an individual teardown with the green cartridge, then I'll show all the cartridges side by side for easy comparison.
    Top of green cartridge:
    Photo Nov 01, 12 23 30 AM.jpg
    Bottom:
    Photo Nov 01, 12 23 25 AM.jpg
    Cap off:
    Photo Nov 01, 12 27 10 AM.jpg
    Top bracket removed. Interestingly, there's a plastic (nylon?) disk here, presumably to reduce friction:
    Photo Nov 01, 12 27 27 AM.jpg
    First gearset and second bracket removed:
    foto_no_exif.jpg
    Close up of last set of gears:
    Photo Nov 01, 12 29 04 AM.jpg
    That's about it for the green cartridge; it seems to be a 1:6 on the bottom and a 1:3 on top.
    Here's all of them together:
    Photo Nov 08, 6 26 03 PM.jpg
    Interestingly the blue cartridge is a single stage 1:6. It's bracket is also completely overkill in terms of sturdiness.

  7. KMonkeys

    Nov 9 Cumming, GA What is this?
    Edited 5 weeks ago by KMonkeys

    I see no grease on these gears. Was grease not necessary? I would imagine it is best to have some grease on these gears.

  8. sazrocks

    Nov 9 Arizona 2114V

    @KMonkeys I see no grease on these gears. Was grease not necessary? I would imagine it is best to have some grease on these gears.

    There is some grease on the gears. Not a lot but definitely noticeable. You can actually see some on the the ring gears.

  9. KMonkeys

    Nov 9 Cumming, GA What is this?

    @sazrocks There is some grease on the gears. Not a lot but definitely noticeable. You can actually see some on the the ring gears.

    I see. Thanks for the tear down. I do wish VEX would add more grease to those gears.

  10. sazrocks

    Nov 9 Arizona 2114V

    @KMonkeys I see. Thanks for the tear down. I do wish VEX would add more grease to those gears.

    AFAIK it is legal to add more yourself; it has been legal to add grease to the inside of 393s for many seasons.

  11. KMonkeys

    Nov 9 Cumming, GA What is this?

    @sazrocks AFAIK it is legal to add more yourself; it has been legal to add grease to the inside of 393s for many seasons.

    But my point is this. It is a $10 Cartridge. It doesn't hurt for the manufacture to add extra grease (maybe thicker type) to the gears.

  12. 4 weeks ago

    Just curious, does anyone have some pictures of the brain around the microUSB area? I'm curious as to how strongly they're held in place.

  13. last week
    Edited last week by technik3k

    @epedemont Just curious, does anyone have some pictures of the brain around the microUSB area? I'm curious as to how strongly they're held in place.

    This is the inner side of the processor board, with connector to the power distribution board:

    v5brain-internal-processor-PCB-inner.jpg

    And this is the top side of the processor board with the connector to LCD:

    v5brain-internal-processor-PCB-outer.jpg

  14. Edited last week by technik3k

    Also, here are some more pictures of the V5 power distribution board:

    v5brain-internal-power-distribution-PCB-inner.jpg

    v5brain-internal-power-distribution-PCB-outer.jpg

    Of the special interest are the RS-485 drivers ( http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/sn65hvd1781.pdf )

    v5brain-internal-power-distribution-RS-485-driver.jpg

    Power limiting eFuse chips ( http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tps25927.pdf )

    v5brain-internal-power-distribution-eFuse.jpg

    And a mystery chip whose datasheet I couldn't find:

    v5brain-internal-power-distribution-mystery-ic-824J.jpg

  15. sazrocks

    Dec 3 Arizona 2114V
    Edited last week by sazrocks

    @technik3k And a mystery chip whose datasheet I couldn't find:

    Looks like its the same one/similar as in this ebay listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-PCS-LPC824M201JHI33E-HVQFN33-LPC824M201JHI33-824J-IC-CHIP-/371951985944
    Which in turn seems to have this datasheet: https://www.nxp.com/docs/en/data-sheet/LPC82X.pdf
    Which would line up with the M0 mentioned in the V5 system Arch:

    The eight 3-Wire ports now make up a smart device. A dedicated Cortex M0 microcontroller has the sole responsibility of reading inputs and toggling outputs.

    So it seems like it deals with the triports and making them talk over the internal smart port.

    Edit: though it is on the opposite (lateral) side of the board from the triports so maybe not?
    Edit 2: and there's another NXP 824J on the SoC PCB (though once again on the opposite (lateral) side of the PCB from the triports), so two M0s???

  16. Joe | 574C

    Dec 3 Syracuse IN 574C

    Really interesting thread tbh. slightly off topic here, but In terms of the controller, do we know how to use the rumble motor, or will there be an update allowing use for it? I had also considered opening some of the v5 stuff but decided it was not a good idea with the limited availability, so it's nice to see someone else took the risk lol

  17. sazrocks

    Dec 3 Arizona 2114V
    Edited last week by sazrocks

    @Joe | 574C Really interesting thread tbh. slightly off topic here, but In terms of the controller, do we know how to use the rumble motor, or will there be an update allowing use for it? I had also considered opening some of the v5 stuff but decided it was not a good idea with the limited availability, so it's nice to see someone else took the risk lol

    AFAIK it is usable in VCS and PROS, and presumably RMS as well.
    And yeah, it was kinda risky to do this, but years of pent-up curiosity won out. Won't be doing it again though (unless something dies).

  18. Joe | 574C

    Dec 3 Syracuse IN 574C

    Very cool

    @sazrocks AFAIK it is usable in VCS and PROS, and presumably RMS as well.
    And yeah, it was kinda risky to do this, but years of pent-up curiosity won out. Won't be doing it again though (unless something dies).

 

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