1. 7 weeks ago

    Jayz_1206

    Nov 28 Manila, Philippines 3818

    During a recent competition, we were allied with a low cap focused bot against one that could score high caps. Our alliance member decided to play defensive in order to deter the high cap scoring bot, while following the 5 second trapping and pinning rule. However, the referee called out this team and stated that they should play offensively and try to score points rather than pinning, and even stated that they could be disqualified as a result. Would this actually be a clear basis on the grounds of disqualification?

    tldr; Can a robot play defensive legally during an entire match?

    Thanks in advance!

    You can, as long as your team follows G12.

    I have quoted G12a for your reference.

    a. VEX Robotics Competition Turning Point is intended to be an offensive game. Teams that
    partake in solely defensive or destructive strategies will not have the protections implied by
    <G12> (see <G13>). However, defensive play which does not involve destructive or illegal
    strategies is still within the spirit of this rule.

    Like what I always says, not all defensive robots/plays are the same.

  2. meng

    Nov 28 Answer Singapore 8059

    You can, as long as your team follows G12.

    I have quoted G12a for your reference.

    a. VEX Robotics Competition Turning Point is intended to be an offensive game. Teams that
    partake in solely defensive or destructive strategies will not have the protections implied by
    <G12> (see <G13>). However, defensive play which does not involve destructive or illegal
    strategies is still within the spirit of this rule.

    Like what I always says, not all defensive robots/plays are the same.

  3. 687a

    Nov 28 California 687A

    Yes, you can play defensively for an entire match, as long as you aren't breaking any rules like <G12>. Referees can not disqualify you for not playing offensively enough.

  4. defense is perfectly legal as long as you follow the rules

  5. Just be prepared to be complained at vigorously by teams that don't understand this. Hopefully the referees are prepared, too. I spent a lot of refereeing time at ITZ tournaments explaining that yes, defense is allowed, as long as it doesn't break certain rules. This year might not be as bad as last year, though, as last year was a year after a divided game (Starstruck) where robot interaction wasn't really a thing and a lot of teams were surprised and upset about a factor they had overlooked.

  6. Jayz_1206

    Nov 28 Manila, Philippines 3818

    Yep, that's definitely the reaction received from the other alliance, and it might have just been a case of the referee wanting that robot to be offensive during the match in the spirit of the game.

    Thanks for the help!

  7. Rick TYler

    Nov 28 Teachers/Coaches, Event Partner, V5 Beta Moderator Redmond, Washington Founder of Exothermic Robotics

    And if you are going to play a lot of defense, try talking to the head referee before your first match. It's good not to surprise the referee.

  8. Gear Geeks

    Nov 28 Event Partner, V5 Beta Tester Virginia, USA 8044

    @Rick TYler And if you are going to play a lot of defense, try talking to the head referee before your first match. It's good not to surprise the referee.

    Or ask questions specifically about defense in the driver's meeting.

 

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