Autonomous Cube over Line

[Subway_Kid]

During Autonomous, if any one cube goes over the line is that an instant autonomous loss. Even if the cube going over the line is entirely unintentional and doesnt affect the other alliances auton in any way? It seems like overkill to protect teams autons this year.

[Skynet]

Yes that is true. That is what they have concluded.

[holbrook]

Questions about rules should be answered by consulting the game manual. The relevant rules here are SG2 and SG7:

<SG2> Stay on your side in Autonomous. During the Autonomous Period, Robots may not contact the foam tiles, Towers, or Cubes which are on the opposing Alliance’s side of the Autonomous Line.
Violations of this rule will result in the Autonomous Bonus being awarded to the opposing Alliance. Intentional, strategic, or egregious violations, such as intentional contact with an opposing Robot while completely across the Autonomous Line, will result in a Disqualification.

<SG7> Use Cubes to play the game. Cubes may not be used to accomplish actions that would be otherwise illegal if they were attempted by Robot mechanisms. Examples include (but are not limited to):

• Encroaching upon an opponent’s Protected Zone per <SG3>.
• Interfering with an opponent’s Autonomous Period per <SG2>.

This Q&A entry provides further clarification on this issue.

In general, it’s a good idea to search the game manual and Q&A before asking rules questions.

[536Mentor]

Intentional or not, interfering or not, doesn’t matter, if you cause a cube to cross the autonomous line, you lose autonomous. It is less about overkill than it is to make the referees job easier. The referee does not have to establish intent or whether the cube interferes with the opponent’s autonomous. It is a clear cut rule. Don’t do it, period or lose autonomous automatically.

[EagleBots]

However, you can move neutral cubes and not be DQ’ed

[forzapixel]

What happens if it lands on the line?

[536Mentor]

If it touches the opposing side’s grey tile, it is over the line and you lose autonomous. The neutral cubes are the exception as they were already straddling the autonomous line.

[bikeman]

Can this be referenced by a comment from VEX or somebody on the game committee? Just in case we need to prove a piont at a tournament to a judge.

[536Mentor]

Check this forum thread
https://www.vexforum.com/t/incorrect-refereeing-of-sg2-via-sg7/74745/12

[ShowMePity]

I would if the link existed

[Subway_Kid]

RIP. Thanks for answering its just frustrating to make a 8 cube auton without that happening.

[lacsap]

@EagleBots

However, you can move neutral cubes and not be DQ’ed

Not quite sure this is true - consider the case of a robot lifting their side of the neutral cube during autonomous. Cubes are an extension of the robot once in their control, so would this not be considered the robot making contact with the opposing side tiles? This would be a case of automatic transferring of autonomous bonus to opposing alliance.

[kevjar]

no. The manual says in SG2:

Note: Towers and Cubes which begin the Match in contact with the Autonomous Line are not considered to be on either side, and may be utilized by either Alliance during the Autonomous Period.

[lacsap]

That’s fine, but once you pick it up on one side and make contact with it to the other side that connection of contact, does it not extend to the opposing side? There is some debate about this amongst teams and referees.

I think it is an edge case not likely to happen, but non-zero.

[holbrook]

@bikeman

Can this be referenced by a comment from VEX or somebody on the game committee?

Yes, see the Q&A link I posted above.

[Skynet]

Yes he is right

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