A team I know was repeatedly asked by another team to come to their hotel room and practice on a private field before a match at Worlds. They declined, but I’ve heard of similar cases in other divisions.
This kind of pressure goes against the student-centric policy VEX promotes.
Suggestion: Releasing match schedules one day at a time could help prevent pre-match targeting and keep interactions within the official, student-supervised environment.
How does this break the student centered policy? It is true that you shouldn’t just go into random stranger’s hotel rooms, but I don’t see how that breaks the student centered policy. If students are the ones working on strategy in the rooms, then it seems fine.
What “pressure” are you referring to? I don’t understand.
I don’t see how this would help with student centered policy violations, and I can’t see this helping with anything. If anything, it doesn’t allow for such high level strategy that is seen in worlds matches today.
Just incase your wondering the exact opposite happens to. There are teams that refuse to put their best foot forwards. When I was in 7th grade there was this team we were with at worlds who basically refused to even practice once together on the practice field set up at our pits and straight up told us after i very politley asked if we could practice as this match score would affect our Rankinngs alot and potentially push us into elims, that they didnt care and they only came to worlds to goof off. they even went so far as to let some random kid on the team drive even after they said he wasnt the best because they all wanted a turn to drive and didnt care about how the scores turned out. some times you get overley competitiv kids who want the best match score and some times you get kids who dont care one bit. breaks of the game. changing the format of how schedules are realsesad wont affect that.
I understand that. But VEX made the decision to remove fields from the pits this year to ensure fairness and limit outside coaching from parents or mentors. Students are expected to practice only at the designated practice fields in the convention center, where access and supervision are consistent for all teams.
If a team wants to spend extra money to bring an extra field just for the hotel room then more power to them. VEX can’t stop them from doing that and if the teams are determined enough and want just some extra practice in the peace of their own private practice field then let them do it. I know from experience from high school worlds this year that practice fields are chaotic and the amount of DCs are crazy making it hard to proof a code if it just DCs and coast over the autonomous line.
I am not concerned about individual skills practice at hotel. I am worried about team matches being arranged at hotels at night under adult supervision. This goes against the spirit of fair play. That’s exactly why a new rule was introduced this year prohibiting teams from bringing fields into the pit areza to ensure fairness and reduce outside influence. This new rule was introduced this year at the world.
Adult supervision isn’t illegal, but i understand what you mean, it’s adult intervention that’s illegal. And people practicing matches and strategies in hotel rooms is dedication, but the chance an adult is to intervene is possible it’s also extremely hard to police them. What ever they do that might be rule breaking in their hotel rooms isn’t something you can do anything about sadly. Most teams out there probably just would want to develop a strategy with a teammate but there are also some teams that do break the rules behind closed doors. Again it’s hard to enforce the rules from an outside position in this situation.
You are making a ton of assumptions about a variety of issues. 1. You are assuming you know ‘why’ vex changed the field in the pits rules. 2. You are assuming student centered activities would be violated if not for the watchful eye of Kay Bailey.
It is completely understandable if you or others don’t feel comfortable going to a hotel room of someone you just met. But please don’t pretend that this is impossible to do responsibly, safely and in a student centered way.
Creating boogie monsters based on personal biases is irresponsible as well.
I didn’t make any assumptions—this was based on what the organizer indicated this year at the world. If everyone is supportive of teams practicing matches at the hotel to gain an advantage, that’s fine. I’ll make sure my team does the same moving forward.
I feel your arguments are off their original track. The original point was that
and that original point is wrong. Practicing outside of worlds is perfectly fine, and punishing teams for putting in effort is, bluntly put, a sore losers attitude. Be a good sport, and let the teams who bother to try actually put in the effort.
sounds good, thank you.
This is a huge statement. I asked multiple teams to borrow fields in hotels. And if they told me no, I can’t just walk into hotels? I just ask friends till one of them is ok with it and I bring a teammate to go scrimmage at there hotel or in the case of worlds this year, in there room at my hotel (ty 282S). Releasing match schedules day by day is awful because it prevents strategezing. What was so hard for this team you know to say no and move on?