Faster Drive Train

Hello, everyone. I want to make my chain bar/mogo bot faster for the state competition (March 3), and I’m having issues:

  1. I used to use a 1:2 drive ratio with torque motors. At my first tournament, it failed miserably and I was useless during my matches. (I use chains, yes)
  2. I have a 1:1 torque drive now, and it works fine, but I think it’s too slow
  3. When I tested another speed chain gear ratio (with smaller gears; 36t to 12t output) recently, it failed again! Front right motor stalled, and others soon followed.
  4. The drive is rather tightly packed in, but I don’t think I have too much friction. I can send pictures later today.

I’ve heard other teams say that they use similar speed ratios and work fine and fast with heavier robots. I want to say it weighs between 15 and 19 lbs, but I don’t have an official weight. I am considering and probably will do a turbo conversion for all the drive motors. Do any of you have suggestions for improving the overall drive speed besides that? I would like to be as much of a multi-purpose defensive mogo/offensive short stacker as I can; 4 cone max.

Thank you!

So this is general help. 1)If you are cantilevering wheels, dont put two pieces of metal. 2) Make sure that the axles have a bearing on 2 points and that they aren’t bent. If they are bent, try to make the space between the two sides smaller.3) Make sure the bearings are fully seated in the metal, there are little prongs on the back that go into the holes. 4) Make sure your motors are tight. 5) try to get your wheels to free spin, I like to have them free spin for ~10 seconds.

15-19 pounds should not burn out 4 motor torque. 4 motor high speed could take that so it is either a motor issue, make sure you have the right gearings internally, and make sure all the fricition you can is removed. Hope this helps, and if you can post picture and weigh it.

Ok, so my ** official weight is 14 lbs **. I use bearings on every shaft, yes, and I’m working on getting rid of some chain-on-wheel friction in the front. Here’s a couple pictures:


If you run your mobile goal on one motor, you will be able to use a 6 motor speed drive. In terms of a DR4B, a two motor 1:7 torque DR4B works without browning out and is plenty fast. Also, 15-19 lbs should not brown out 4 torque motors. Our robot weighs about the same (roughly 12lbs) and we use a 4 motor speed drive and it has never browned out (with the exception of someone pinning us for 10 seconds straight). But, since you’re only intending on stacking 4 cones on a mobile goal, your best bet would be to only use a two motor lift and use the remaining motors on your drive, allowing for a 6 motor speed drive

I have a 2 motor mogo lift, and I don’t really want to change it. Could the chain bar lift run on 2 motors, with my current gearing?

What gearing do you have on your chain bar

12T input to 80T, then to 36T output

Yes, that ratio should work with only 2 motors. I have a friend that has a very similar gearing and his works fine with 2 motors.

I have an internal stacker and I’m currently using a four motor high speed drive (direct drive) and it works just fine. I have no stalling issues and it’s been taking some brutal driving yet performs great.

@JuiceBox
@Nemesis
Thank you so much! I’ll definitely start with the HS conversion, then think about working in the other motors.

What is the weight of your robot? Mine is 20 ish lbs and I have yet to test it on foam tile.