Goal Possession Through Transitive Ring Contact?

VEX Robotics Competition Discussion
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I have been looking through the game manual, and I was wondering about the legality of controlling/transporting a mobile goal through transitive contact with a ring.

Closest rule I could find that applies to this

Possession is limited to two Rings and one Mobile Goal. Robots may not have Possession of more than two (2) Rings and one (1) Mobile Goal at once. Robots in Violation of this rule must
immediately stop all actions except for attempting to remove the excess Scoring Objects.
a. A Robot that is Violating this rule while Possessing any of the opposing Alliance’s Rings may
not participate in further gameplay other than removing the excess Scoring Objects.
i. If they are unable to remove the excess Scoring Objects, then they must return to a legal
starting position (as described by ). They will not be eligible to receive points for
Climbing. Any offensive or defensive interactions with Mobile Goals, Stakes, and Corners
will be included in Match Affecting consideration.
b. Rings on a Stake are not included in a Robot’s Possession count. For the purposes of this
rule, “on a Stake” means that the Ring meets the criteria for a Scored Ring, even if it is being
contacted by a Robot.
c. Plowing multiple Mobile Goals is permitted. However, Plowing an additional Mobile Goal while
also Possessing one is considered a Violation of this rule due to the extremely high likelihood
of accidental/implied Possession. Teams which employ Plowing strategies are encouraged to
clearly demonstrate that none of the Mobile Goals are being Possessed, e.g., by using a flat
face of the Robot with no active mechanisms.

For Those About To Say RTM, I did.

Is this legal? Yes, I know that the manual says only what you cannot do, however this is kind of in the grey area so I’m asking here.

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Good job doing your homework and bringing up relevant rules.

I think it is important to consider the definition of possession.

Possession – A Robot / Scoring Object status.
A Scoring Object is considered Possessed by a Robot if a Robot’s change in direction would result in controlled movement of the Scoring Object. This typically requires at least one of the following to be true:

The Scoring Object is fully supported by the Robot.

The Robot is moving the Scoring Object in a preferred direction with a concave face of the Robot (or inside of a concave angle formed by multiple mechanisms/faces of the Robot).

The Robot is holding the Scoring Object against the Floor or a Field Element.

If your robot-mogo interaction checks any of those boxes, it is likely possession.

I am assuming you are asking this question with double possession in mind. Of course, possessing 1 mobile goal through transitive contact is absolutely ok.

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