Hi from Singapore,
My team has qualified for worlds, and we are doing a complete rebuild. I want to take inspiration from 80550F’s t3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr0JY8JMjLY) using their ladybrown, but it’s confusing. How do the passive hooks not touch the rings when scoring onto mogos? Why does their ladybrown push upward using pistons?
are you from 6546A?
tbh, if you are thinking of looking at this approach, you might just want to look closer home - 8059Z’s 3T hang.
It is similar approach, but more efficient.
But do consider taking inspiration from 8076Y’s 3T 10sec hang instead.
I wouldn’t take inspiration from their bot. Until they release better evidence of functionality I’m just under the impression that its a proof of concept that doesnt work completely independent of human intervention.
Hi, no im from 6546C.
is 8076Y’s t3 similar to gremlins design? I wanted to integrate my t3 into the ladybrown mechanism so I can use a component for two different purposes.
Actually you can take a look at the singnat livestream and decide for yourself (on which robot(s) do you want take inspirations from).
Sorry - i got it mixed up, i think it is 8076X that has the 3T, 10sec hang.
you can look at Q35.
As for 8059Z 3T hang - you can look at R16 3-1.
(they would have completed their 3T if the opponent didnt rammed against them when they were aligning to climb).
And like what @Entropy has shared, these 2 robots’ 3T hangs are tested and deployed during actual matches.
I think 8076X’s t3 looks much better than 8059Z’s. In 8076X’s t3, how does the climb system extend twice?
also, would it be possible to integrate a ladybrown system into a bot with a climb like that? I noticed their bot is specifically designed to be triangular with their weird redirect wallstake mech.
I agree - thats the reason I mentioned to you to take a look at their’s.
But I always believe in giving students options and you guys decide for yourself.
You will need to reach out to them and ask them.
hi joek, nice to see you on the forums!!! 6546A here
Well to answer you question, I believe that the fractal bot climb is pretty slow. I also do not know completely if the bot is legal since the lady brown does back to climb and forward to score; so there might be two directions of expansion unless the ladybrown starts from the back.
regarding the 8076x t3, I believe while it may be consistent, and be able to climb from a general side and not rely on an aligner, this comes at the cost of wall stakes which are one of the 3 win conditions in this game. this is similar to gremlin, but if you saw haunted, you might want to have a second thought about building this. spoiler: they fall off…
regarding the 8059z t3, I believe the issue is that it is slow, while it is able to utilise a lady brown mech, I think it comes at the cost of structural integrity and speed of t3. This robot is first seen with team QWERTY, but if you have seen their matches, they fall off…
What 6546A is building, is a bot similar to echo, they t3 is very strong and fast, and has the potential to score high stake if tuned well. Although the t3 may sound great, this comes at the cost of some other mechanisms.
well that is my yap, talk you me in the lab pls about this.
Thanks so much for advice 
There are now quite a few direct mech wallstake gremlin style hangs.
Echo‘s design works really well. They have an aligner using the peice of metal to touch the ladder and that gives them consistent climb. With this, they also stay on the ladder even if someone hits it hard. You are sacrificing easy wallstakes, but who doen‘t like a challenge.
Could you elaborate? have you ever seen any teams that use a ladybrown and still can gremlin style hang?
Ladybrown is not the only wallstake mech. Gremlin style is exclusiveley direct mech at the moment.
All the best guys!!
This is the 1st time since 2008 that 8059 couldn’t qualify for worlds.
So please help to rep SG well in worlds!!
And along the way, just get a few trophies back home.
its a shame you guys didn’t qualify this year, but nevertheless, we still value your teams. If you have any tips to share for worlds that would be greatly appreciated!!
The irony…
Also TibTy evolution is actually wild:
Team 6546A High Stakes Season so far - VEX V5 General Discussion - VEX Forum
And oops I’ve gone off topic.
Also coincidence that the first time 8059 doesn’t qualify for Worlds since 2008 is also the first time @meng misses Singapore Nationals since 2008?
Kinda sad that 8059Z T3 climb didn’t make it to Worlds though.
Except in late season there is actually more than a few T3 climb bots.
What do you mean by, “unless the ladybrown starts from the back?” Doesnt the ladybrown always have to start in the back to be in size anyway? I am doing a rebuild like fractals T3 hand with ladybrown and now Im a little concerned.
Things changed and there are always more than what meets the eyes.
The insiders will know the real reasons.
But let’s not hijack this thread, it is definitely not about 8059’s absence from worlds.
To me, end of the day, what’s really impt is that the excellence award winner and the tournament champs are definitely worthy winners and they will put up a good show this worlds (you can’t be shabby to win something in singnat)
hey just to give you a general sense, I believe that fractals lady brown is not the most efficient. yes is can do everything including high stake. But if you really break it down and look at the ladybrown, you can see some issues. first of all is the string managemet. This is a HUGE issue on their bot solely because when wanting to wallstake, the string has to align with their mech, so either they have some kind of pneumatics system that holds back the string, and then deploys for the hang, their wallstake mech will EXPLODE. Also one thing that makes a lot of t3 designs a little bit goofy ahh is when they put pneumatics in play. I would suggest with going with a fully motorised t3 instead of partially motor partial pneumatics. it will make the t3 just a lot less jack and more consistent. So to summerize, these reasons is probably fractal is rebuilding. All together, yes fractal can do everything in the game. but you have to ask yourself, are you going to prioritze everything all at once, or have certain aspect of your bot really good.
ok, sorry I got a little of track, to answer your first question, about the lady brown starting from the back, let me clarify. For fractals ladybown, there are two main moments. One is of the actual lady brown arm, and the second is the pivot of the chan which is connected to the drive base. Inorder for it to climb, the c Chanel connected to the drive base must be activated by pnematics and restricted back to the bar. Fo this robot to stay in size limit, this action has to be initially back when the game starts.
does this help?
How would it be fully motorized? Wouldnt you need a pto to active it? Or do you mean by pneumactics to move the ‘arm’ for climbing.