How does one address making signatures/dating pages on a digital notebook?

Hey!

So, I’m the note keeper for my team, and as I am writing my notebook, I find I didn’t do something rather important—put my or have any other teammate put their signature on any pages. I also did not date any pages.

This is because we have a digital notebook where we are constantly adding pages, and sometimes I add the pages not in order of date (I will sometimes add a page midway in the notebook just because I think that that page/section belongs there).

Yes, I know I probably should’ve formatted the notebook before we started, but because I’m learning, I’m just implementing what I learn as I go along.

So, what do I do? I have put my digital signature on my pages, but I still need a witness, and I don’t know what to do when it comes to dating all the pages. I figure that if we’re going to print the notebook out, I could always put the title and what-not right before a tournament, but I’m unsure about the dating pages, especially since I added pages midway through the notebook after adding some pages at the end. So, I fear it would look rather odd if the dates went from, say, August 15th, then to July 12th, and then back to August 15th.

If you have any practical advice, please let me know!

Thanks!

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I would generally just print it out and add the signatures, that’s what I did before our first competition. I’m actually not sure whether or not you need a witness signature, but I know you need to have the author’s signature on each page, and if you are the author, and your digital signature is on the pages that you did, it should be fine. I probably would also add the dates, so that the judges can see your design process go through its stages. You might want to specify that some of the pages are out of order on the front cover, or on the page itself.

I just have a question about the pages that you are adding in the middle :
Do you have sections in your notebook? Have you implemented them (have you put in the markers for them or something like that)?

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I would recommend that you read this website to help with certainty as to whether witness signatures are required or not: https://www.robotevents.com/faqs/9/pdf

I do agree with the rest of your response, though.

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I’m not exactly sure what you mean by that, but I have headings for each section. I have an entire outline of the notebook near the front so judges can see how the notebook is formatted. I sectioned even the main sections into smaller sections as well.

Perhaps I’m not reading it correctly, and if I am not, I apologize. Perhaps you can explain more if I don’t get it.

Could someone confirm if i need to sign mine for vrc. Many thanks

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If I were you, I wouldn’t take random peoples’ word for it. How do you know we are correctly informed? Instead, go through the RECF’s resources for notebooking. They tell you everything you need to know. I hope you find what you need!

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Dear sir,
I find your post extremely disrespectful to me, as I am the lead notebook writer for my team and have won a Design Award for such a notebook. The fact you assume I am purposefully lying and cheating a person, even though I am trying my all to help this person be successful in their endeavours really hurts me

Congrats on you team’s success!

I don’t. But, an important life skill is doing research and “figuring it out yourself”. There is nothing wrong with @Brainiac asking for assistance, but there is something wrong with asking people to do the work for him, so this is an opportunity to do some nice research.

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I asked because I did not see a straight-forward answer to the question I had.

I get your point however.

I was asking if anyone else new. Its good to share knowledge. At no point did i ask someone to do the work for me, if no one else new i would of researched myself. You dont need to call people out.

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at least from my experience, I would recommend being honest to the judges. If your notebook is on google slides like mine you could look the the log history. Otherwise, I would also from here on out put a calendar at the end of your notebook.

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I’m not too sure myself, but from my own interpretation from reading the Guide to Judging and the REC Library, this is what I think: (This is also my first year doing a digital engineering notebook in a region where most teams do physical notebooks, so I’ve yet to see how judges have approached this yet)

From my experience, witness signatures aren’t necessary for engineering notebooks. This REC Library article mentions explicitly that witness signatures are not needed (although this article is not written for the context of VRC or VIQRC, so its context shouldn’t matter as mentioned in this Q&A).

The above article also implies that signing the notebook isn’t completely necessary:

Signing, printing or typing your name on each page informs readers of the content’s creator

This suggests that the necessary requirement is to document who has created each entry, not necessarily that it is signed. The engineering notebook section of the Guide to Judging also mentions this:

Engineering Notebooks should contain these elements:

  • Team number on the cover/beginning of document.
  • Errors crossed out using a single line (so errors can be seen)
  • Unedited entries
  • All pages/entries intact; no pages/entries or parts of pages/entries removed or omitted.
  • Each page/entry chronologically numbered and dated.
  • Each page/entry signed or initialed by a student author.
  • Team meeting notes as they relate to the design process.
  • Permanently affixed pictures, CAD drawings, documents, examples of code, or other material relevant to the design process (in the case of physical notebooks, tape is acceptable, but glue is preferred)

This would mean that a signature may not be necessary if the creator’s initials are on the entry. It also mentions, for additional elements in ‘outstanding’ notebooks, that “Entries are dated with the names of contributing students involved,” but at no point in this section (or the entire Guide to Judging). For my team, this year is the first year that we’re doing our notebook without witness signatures (as far as I am aware, notebooks are not required to have this), even though in past seasons, we have done this mostly consistently. I think the most crucial part is to ensure that you record/mention who has each entry in the notebook in addition to mentioning contributing members in the entry itself.

In terms of entries being in chronological order, the Guide to Judging does mention that entries are “chronologically numbered and dated” for what should be in an engineering notebook, but the guide also mentions the following:

Judges should make every effort to evaluate the contents of the notebook based on the Engineering Notebook Rubric, and not be unduly influenced by the organization methodology chosen by the team.

The rubric for the engineering notebook mentions this in the strand for notebook formatting:

Five (5) points if the notebook has evidence that documentation was done in sequence with the design process. This can take the form of dated entries with the names of contributing students included and an overall system of organization. For example, numbered pages and a table of contents with entries organized for future reference.

Although it’ll typically be best (from my own experience) to do all notebook entries in chronological order (I think this is the easiest way to make entries numbered and dated chronologically), I believe that sectioning your robot design differently should be fine although I would imagine that your entries should, at the very least, roughly be in chronological order to show your various design cycles and the progression of your robot design.

What I have done/plan on doing is to physically sign my entries in the notebook, even with my initials already in the footer of the entry. My entries are formatted chronologically. I’d encourage you to do some research, possibly asking other judges to see if it is required.

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Having dated chronological pages isn’t fully required, but it’s a component of an exceptional notebook according to the website

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