Interesting In the Zone Rules

[Yerayrobotics]

@321A

I don’t mean actually holding it. All the cones would still be stacked, there would just be metal on all sides to prevent it from falling over. So I guess the question is does the top cones resting on metal count as holding that cone?

Yes.

[puzzler7]

By Stack, I mean the official definition. Touching a cone on a Stack means that that cone and all above it are no longer considered part of the stack (at least, as the rules are written now). Thus, touching any cone but the top one is illegal.

EDIT: Ninja’d

[Mark185A]

But if it’s not holding or controlling the movement of a cone than it’s no possessing. It’s like pushing a cone with the back of your robot.

[puzzler7]

It is possessing if you are controlling its movement through controlling the mobile base.

[Team80_Giraffes]

I hope that is for the definitions of scoring the cones versus what is allowed to be carried about in the game. Otherwise the design choices will be limited to have something holding the top all the time while you move about the field to get more cones. I still think the intent is to carry around the base with a stack of cones as best you can and it only scores at the end when you don’t touch the cones.

[PNayak]

I had a question. Is there a limit on the number of cones that can be stacked on the mobile and stationary goals?

[creatorthomas]

Just physically, there isn’t a rule limit. They tend to topple at around 22 for us.

[Aponthis]

@536Mentor

It has been ruled here on the forums by Karthik, that you can not use human actions to influence the autonomous. I can’t find the specific reference right now however.

I can’t find it, either, but I definitely remember that you cannot. My brother asked a Q&A about whether turning Skyrise sections so that the V decal on it was or was not facing the field was legal in order to communicate with the robot, and Karthik said no.

[Robo_Eng_13]

@Aponthis

I can’t find it, either, but I definitely remember that you cannot. My brother asked a Q&A about whether turning Skyrise sections so that the V decal on it was or was not facing the field was legal in order to communicate with the robot, and Karthik said no.

That is really clever, it’s a shame that isn’t allowed.

[TexasVex]

<G8> During a Match, Robots may be operated only by the Drive Team Members and/or by software running on the Robot’s control system. During the Autonomous Period Drive Team Members are not permitted to interact with the Robot, the controls on their VEXnet Joysticks, or to unplug from the field in any way, directly or indirectly. (e.g. Triggering sensors without touching the Robot is still illegal.) Minor violations of this rule that do not affect the Match will result in a warning. Match Affecting offenses will result in a Disqualification. Teams that receive multiple warnings may also receive a Disqualification at the Head Referee’s discretion.

Bolded for emphasis.

[SeanThomas]

@TexasVex

Wireless communication by team members in a match is now explicitly prohibited. Students can only use phones if airplane mode is on. Possible intent: To prevent wireless interference with the VEXnet system.

During A event last year a team was using a headset too communicate with another member of their team in the stands who was watching from above. So that also might be part of the reason for this rule change

[536Mentor]

@321A

Is it legal to hold the sides of a stack (Mobile goal on bottom with cones piled on top). Like is it possible to hold the cones on top to prevent the stack from tipping?

See this ruling! It is allowed to touch the stacked cones on a mobile goal that is in your robots possession.

[Electrobotz]

@536Mentor

See this ruling! It is allowed to touch the stacked cones on a mobile goal that is in your robots possession.

While this is true, I would be careful about holding a cone and touching the cones on the mobile goals. Not sure if that was your plan, but they still have not answered this thread, so we still don’t know if this is legal. Just wanted to point that out.

[Alex1599]

At last years competition we had a problem with our remotes and cortex communicating because the competition area had a WiFi router over top of the arena and it was interfering with the robots. so maybe that’s another reason they’ve implied the no wireless communication rule.