One competition my team went to, there was a robot with a large container on a six motor base. The container can store up to 4 mobile goals and in general it is impossible for robots without elevated claws to reach mobile goals stored in the container - this situation very much matches hoarding def…

A Q&A was answered on hoarding that clarifies it Hoarding Clarification : Robot Events

[image] bolto: this situation very much matches hoarding definition in my mind Alas, it does not match the definition of hoarding in the game manual : If you’re not keeping mobile goals in a corner of the field, you’re not hoarding.

Though in the spirit of hoarding, if we do not allow blocking more than two mobile goals at two corners, the situation of storing four mobile goals is significantly worse than two mobile goals blocked at a corner. I think allowing a storing four mobile goals and making them not accessible is very i…

[image] bolto: Though in the spirit of hoarding, if we do not allow blocking more than two mobile goals at two corners, the situation of storing four mobile goals is significantly worse than two mobile goals blocked at a corner. There is no rule that generally prohibits “preventing opponent r…

I do not disagree that by the rules in the game, storing mobile goals away from reach of other teams is currently not a violation. I am saying calling out two mobile goals blocked at corners a violation is strange when there are worse things that can happen - makes me wonder then why calling out ho…

[image] Should VEX ban bulk possession? Locking / Winning matches with a simple robot design that anyone can build = Bad. Ex: Cagebots in ITZ. Locking / Winning matches with a difficult and challenging robot design that very few people will be able to build = Okay. Ex: Cagebots in CU. Hoarding …

As a referee, I have interpreted this as “Instructing the team hoarding the goal that it needs to give unobstructed access to the corner to the other team or risk DQ”. The notes on “Hoarding” specify that the GDC intends for calls that DQ a team to be “rare”. IMO, that leads referees to direct game…

[image] Mentor_355U: unobstructed access to the corner It seems DQ is less about the corner and more about no access to mobile goals, because if you are at a corner without blocking any mobile goals, there is nothing to worry about. The game may have assumed that corners are the only place h…

Sure. But those normally require a more detailed and complex robot design and strategy than simply pushing the goals in a corner and sitting there. Read the post 9motorgang quoted above.

And I am referring to different situations: robot has possession of multiple mobile goals but other robots can access the mobile goals - I am actually ok with this robot has possession of multiple mobile goals but other robots can NOT access any of them because they are walled in in the robot’s co…

[image] Should VEX ban bulk possession? Possessing all the goals and maintaining possession for the entire match = challenging and difficult. I don’t know if this is true, I mean, the robot was just a simple design, build a big container, push mobile goals into the container. Doesn’t seem all…

Is keeping mobile goals in a container hoarding?

VEX V5 Robotics Competition V5 Tipping Point (21/22)

9MotorGang November 10, 2021, 11:20pm 6

The GDC has stated why hoarding is illegal, but other forms of mass possession aren’t.