Only one alliance gets the climbing zone points after elevation?

VEX Robotics Competition Discussion VRC > Nothing But Net (15/16)
#1

We have seen a successfull elevation only a few times in competition. The definition rules state only 1 alliance can get the 25 or 50 points. So how do you figure out who gets the points. Do the refs ask the teams and you hash out who needs the SP’s and then they distrubute them. We saw a bizarre situation where the loosing team was the one that elevated it’s alliance partner for low lift and those were the only 25 points they scored! They lost by over 100 points. So, per the rules the winning team did not recieve a point nor did one of the lifting team members. How does this work.
Thanks

#2

Wait what…The lifting points go to the two teams that lifted and if they lose, both the teams on the other alliance get the Sp’s.

#3

Could you cite these “rules” you are mentioning as I am very sure they are not in the NBN manual

#4

As far as I know, points are never split up, but always given to both alliance members.
The explanation can be found on page 21 of the Vex NBN game manual.
I would quote it, but control+C doesn’t seem to copy it right.

#5

Here are the rules pertaining to SPs.

I’m not sure what this has to do with elevation. Elevation just means more points added to either, both, or neither alliance(s) at the end of the match depending on if they have elevated or not. Then all teams receive the losing alliance’s score for SPs.

#6

Bpalms, I absolutely agree with you. We’ve done this for 3 years and have never seen SP split up.

Absolutely bizarre rule. I was floored when I read it.
It’s near the top. And open the dotted lines at the bottom of the gray box. It’s stated for both the low elevation AND for the high elevation.

6/15 it was sited. Some how it popped up on the VexForum front page so I decided to review the rules and it popped up.
https://vexforum.com/t/vrc-nothing-but-net-manual-updates/29807/1

Note: only one robot on the alliance team can recieve the elevation points.
Crazy isn’t it?

The definition of Low Elevated was updated to the following (with major changes marked in bold):

VEX Robotics Competition Nothing But Net Game Manual Low Elevated – A Robot is Low Elevated if all of the following criteria are met:

    It is touching the other Robot on its Alliance.
    The Robot that it is touching (see criteria #1), is entirely within the Climbing Zone.
    It is not touching any Field Elements, excluding the field perimeter.

4. The Robot is not supported by the field perimeter.
a. If criteria #4 is in question, referees will gently pull the supporting Robot away from the field perimeter. If the Low Elevated Robot does not remain Low Elevated and supported by the supporting Robot it is not Low Elevated. (i.e. It must be only supported by its partner, not the field perimeter)
5. The entire Robot is completely 4” above the foam field tiles; approximately the height of one Ball.

******* Note: Only one Robot on an Alliance may earn points for being Elevated*******

There are two changes in this definition. The intent of the first change is to make it clear that Robots may not rest or rely on the field perimeter as a means of support for a Low Elevation. Touching the field perimeter is fine, however being supported by it is not. Robot are to be supported by their partner Robot, not the field. The second change was done to make it crystal clear that only a single Robot on an Alliance can earn points for a Low Elevation during a Match.

#7

That’s not what it means

That rule was to prevent double elevation

#8

Double elevation? How can our team lift itself and our allinging partner? Levitation is not allowed.
If your opponent lifts and beats you, their points would not count anyways.

#9

There was a loophole in the rules that allowed for double elevation until the June rules change.

#10

By saying only one robot can receive the elevation bonus, they mean that only one robot can count as being “elevated.” Regardless of which robot is elevated, the points are added to that alliance’s score. If that alliance loses, all four teams in that match receive SPs equal to the losing alliance’s score.

#11

The rule is meant to prohibit any loopholes in the scoring system since there were some in the beginning of the year if I remember correctly. An alliance can only receive 25 or 50 points for a low elevation or a high elevation respectively. The points don’t necessarily go to one robot or the other, rather the alliance is awarded 50 points for a high lift, and only one robot can be awarded points for being high elevated(both robots can’t be high elevated at the same time due to the constraints of the elevation definitions). If somehow a team broke physics and both robots are simultaneously high elevating each other, only one would count. I’m not entirely sure why they still have this rule because there are so many specifications to a high elevation and low elevation that I currently can’t find any loopholes without the rule, but could be wrong.

#12

OK. Whew. I couldn’t imagine how the judges were going to deal with this.
I guess if they did not say, only 1 robot of the losing alliance would get the points, then a low lift would get 50 points and the high lift would get 100 pts because you have to give each bot the 25 pts or the 50pts.
Thanks everyone.

#14