Program Running During Inspection Measurement

[plenumrated]

Is it allowed to have the program running during measurement when the robot is being inspected? My team has a pneumatic grabber that sticks out past 18" when it is unpressurized. They want to fix that with a default condition in their code. Is that allowed in the inspections at Worlds?

Thanks,

[Grayson_21050A]

you should be able to have it be unpressurized without a program running.

[plenumrated]

Is there a reference in the rules that you can provide? I am trying to get an “official” determination on this if possible since the consequences are relatively high. The rules give detail on remaining within the size constraints during the competition (e.g. you can maintain your size with the help of the field perimeter), but the rules that I can find for the inspectors do not seem to give much detail at all for the inspection. Surely it is not subjective and capricious.

[holbrook]

No response you get on the forum will be official – the place for official rules interpretations is the Q&A system, which is closed for the season.

But, the point of the size check at inspection is to make sure your robot can fit in the 18" cube at the start of the match. As long as you go through the size check in the same configuration that your robot will start the match in, and the robot can stay in size while held in the “disabled” state by the field, you will be fine. There is no specific requirement that the robot be running or not running a program at the time of the size check.

See also this thread:

Robot inspection

the solenoids which control the pneumatic cylinders will remain in whatever state they were in when the robot connects to the field control. If this state isn’t what the robot normally defaults to when you turn it on or start a program, you can manually change it to the state you want before plugging your controller in to field control, the solenoids will not revert to their initial state and you can then set up your robot on the field within sizing.

[plenumrated]

Great! Thanks for the information.

[242EProgrammer]

@plenumrated

(e.g. you can maintain your size with the help of the field perimeter)

In fact, it specifically says you can’t.

<G4>:
Using Field Elements, such as the field perimeter wall, to maintain starting size is only acceptable if the Robot would still satisfy the constraints of <R5> and pass inspection without the Field Element.

Yes, @kmmohn, I know you would want me to tell him to look it up himself. @plenumrated, please look up the rule yourself.

@Grayson_21050A

you should be able to have it be unpressurized without a program running.

He wants to have it pressurized for inspection.

@plenumrated

My team has a pneumatic grabber that sticks out past 18" when it is unpressurized.

[kmmohn]

@242EProgrammer

Yes, @kmmohn, I know you would want me to tell him to look it up himself. @plenumrated, please look up the rule yourself

Of course, along with the instruction that G4 and R5 are the applicable rules to find in the game manual. As Holbrook has already stated above, the size constraints have to be met while the robot is disabled. If it is a pressurized pneumatic cylinder that is keeping the robot in size constraints, then that cylinder must be in a condition to remain pressurized when the robot is disabled.