Robot Loading Strategy

[NattyMan0007]

How feasible would it be to have a robot with no wheels that just sits in the starting tile and shoots the balls into the goal as the team loads it in manually?

That would be 120 points if they all went into the high goal and another 50 if the robot could lift another up at the end.

Instant win? :D:D

[Collin_Stiers]

I would say that this is probably not the winning strategy, this will probably work well in the beginning of the year if you can execute it well, however I think that by the time state championships start to role around, teams will be able to score all the driver control loads, and then start scoring points from the field, so I think that to be competitive later in the season you will need to be mobile

[3921]

Actually I believe it would be 160 points: 8 preloads for both teams together + 24 driver control loads

It is possible to do this, below I will quote two of my strategic pages from my notebook for this year, so maybe it will help out your team(s).

This year, like every year, strategy is key. You cannot go into competition without a design with strategy backing it up. Most teams design their robots trying to succeed in winning with a certain strategy.
This year there are 104 scoring objects, 94 regular green balls, and 10 orange bonus balls. Each team has 4 preloads for autonomous, which are put into the driver load pile if they are not used (24 driver load balls). 30 of the balls are left on the field stacked into 10 stacks, which all have one bonus ball on top (3 balls per stack + 1 bonus on top).
A regular ball is 1 point in a low goal, and 5 in a high goal; a bonus ball is 2 points in a low goal and 10 points in a high goal.
There are many different combinations of scoring that could happen during any match. We know that 64 balls can fit into the high goal for sure (found out on May 17th, 2015 from a vex moderator that posted pictures.) At the time, if this were true we could score at least 100 points (10 bonus balls), + the 160 from preloads/driver loads which is 260 points. We are then left with the ability to score at least 22 of the 30 given balls on the field, which is 110 more points. Without autonomous, lifting, or scoring in the low net, we can score up to 370 points as the highest combination in the high net. IF you can fill the high net all the way you will win every match no matter what the opponent does.
This year our main strategy is to score all 24 driver loads into the high goal, along with the 4 given preloads for autonomous (140 points). Assuming our ally doesn’t use their preloads we are looking toward hitting 160 points just being stationed. 
Since we are geared towards being stationed, we would need our ally to go around and score the other balls and bonus balls. There are 250 points already given on the field (assuming all of those balls are put into the high goal.) We would like for our ally to go around and either push the stacks of bonus balls towards us or for them to score them. If the other team has a similar stationary strategy, those bonus balls will be key to winning.
Another key aspect of the game is lifting. Our robot design is geared towards being light enough to be lifted to low elevation for 25 points or high elevation for 50 points.
If our ally were to not show up, we are gearing towards a minimum of 160 points. 

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Scoring 64 balls into the high net leaves you with every possibility to win.

10 Bonus Balls into the high net + 54 green balls = 370 points. This would leave the opponent with: 40 balls, max scoring with autonomous, high elevation, and all high goals = 260 points.

Assuming we only score 64 balls into the high net we can only have a minimum of 320 points (without autonomous or high elevation). If our opponent has the 10 bonus balls and the other 30 balls, high elevate, AND win autonomous, the most they can score is 310 points.

Going back to the original scenario, if we score the 10 bonus balls + 54 balls into the high goal that is 370 points like I said. If we also low elevate that brings us to 395 points. If we are high elevated that brings up to 420 points. If we win autonomous we could have 405, or 430 points.

(each stack holds up to a potential score of 25 points)

Basically if you only score driver loads, the other team still has a HUGE chance of winning. I would suggest a 4 motor launcher, 4 motor drive, and 2 motor intake (or 1 motor intake + 1 motor angle manipulator.)

[Complexist]

@NattyMan0007

How feasible would it be to have a robot with no wheels that just sits in the starting tile and shoots the balls into the goal as the team loads it in manually?

That would be 120 points if they all went into the high goal and another 50 if the robot could lift another up at the end.

Instant win? :D:D

So then why not put a set of wheels on it so it can move? it seems like if it shook or got bumped in any way then the aim would be off and it would be useless for the rest of the match. The same thing happened with stationary Skyrise robots. they all ended up mobilizing. Having a drivetrain is just better in my opinion. It also looks better for judging if the robot can manipulate balls around the feild. Hyper-specialization can only go so far, even at an early tournament.

[NattyMan0007]

Yeah it was just a thought.

Our robot will be moving with holonomic drive and shooting into the goal

I just thought it would be a good alternative for our girls team which has very minimal parts and experience.

[NattyMan0007]

@3921

Actually I believe it would be 160 points: 8 preloads for both teams together + 24 driver control loads

It is possible to do this, below I will quote two of my strategic pages from my notebook for this year, so maybe it will help out your team(s).

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Basically if you only score driver loads, the other team still has a HUGE chance of winning. I would suggest a 4 motor launcher, 4 motor drive, and 2 motor intake (or 1 motor intake + 1 motor angle manipulator.)

Yeah we are planning that sort of setup
Forgot about the 4 preloads at the start too