Rule about removing game element

[mng111]

Are the kids allowed to touch the game elements (the towers) during the teamwork match, so that they can remove those elements in the field

[VexTeamZ]

That is for VRC, while @mng111 is asking for the rules for IQ. I believe that they are same, but even so, I would check the IQ game manual.

[holbrook]

Any question that asks “is it legal” or “are you allowed” should be answered by consulting the Game Manual. The relevant rule from the IQ game manual is also <G9>:

<G9> Hands out of the Field. Drivers are prohibited from making intentional contact with any Field Element, Riser, or Robots during a Match, except for the allowances in <G17> and/or <RSC7>.

Minor violations of this rule that do not affect the Match will result in a warning. Score affecting offenses will result in a Disqualification. Teams that receive multiple warnings may also receive a Disqualification at the Head Referee’s discretion.

Note: Accidental contact may result in a warning, Disqualification, or Disablement at the Head Referee’s discretion.

So no, students may not contact game elements during the match.

[Golf]

Whoops, my bad. I’ve made this mistake a couple times now.

[Sharky_do]

For auton are we allowed to touch game elements as it was a rule last year that we can reset the field when the timer is going on.

[FRC973]

While you can touch the game elements if the robot is touching them, they must be removed from the field. Last year, they had a “broken” rule which allowed teams to place the game elements in a non-scored position. So teams would put the game elements just outside the scoring zones and push them in. This was a sneaky, but effective way to score a lot of points in autonomous. This year, they have included rule G17 (particularly #3):

Handling the Robot mid-match is allowed under certain circumstances. If a Robot goes
completely outside the playing Field, gets stuck, tips over, or otherwise requires assistance, the Team’s
Drivers may retrieve & reset the Robot. To do so, they must:

1. Signal the Referee by placing their VEX IQ Controller on the ground.
2. Move the Robot to any legal Starting Position.
   VEX IQ Challenge Rise Above - Game Manual
3. Any Risers being controlled by the Robot while being handled must be removed from the Field. Controlled requires that the Robot was manipulating the Riser and not simply touching it. In the context of this rule, “controlled” implies that the Robot was manipulating the Riser and not simply touching it. For example, if the Riser moves with the Robot either vertically or while
   turning, then the Robot is controlling the Riser.
4. Any Risers in the Starting Positions where the Robot is being placed must be removed from the Field.

This prevents teams from doing things like they did last year, and prevents teams from using any shortcuts like they did last year.

[Sharky_do]

Thats the reason why people got so many points in auton. People were able to score all risers in less than a min.

[FRC973]

Can you post a video / robotevents score to support your answer? I would point out a few things.

First, no one officially or in any video that I have seen has scored all the risers in autonomous, much less in under one minute (the highest so far is 16868A with 204).

Second, using this strategy this year is illegal, as I pointed out in my post above, and removing risers form the field cannot be used strategically.

Third, this strategy is not very helpful this year because for the skills setup, the risers are already right next to the goals, so this wouldn’t help very much and it would be a waste of time.

Lastly, scoring all nine stacks in autonomous is insane. That means scoring one stack every ~6.6666667 seconds. No one has ever done that in driver skills, much less programming skills, which is often slower and scores less points than driver skills.

I am not trying to cut you down, but I am just wondering where you got this information.