Stacker + wallbot

Who would win 1107B(https://vexforum.com/t/team-1107b-super-stacker-2012-reveal/20825/1&highlight=1107b)
and
GER(https://vexforum.com/t/green-eggs-revealed/21250/1)
and
another wallbot (whoever)

or

1471A(https://vexforum.com/t/kinda-like-ger-1471a-2012-reveal/21270/1)
and
5492 (https://vexforum.com/t/stacker-5492-ninjabotics-reveal/21305/1)
and
another wallbot (whoever)
)

)
and
GER(https://vexforum.com/t/green-eggs-revealed/21250/1)
and
another wallbot (whoever)

or

1471A(https://vexforum.com/t/kinda-like-ger-1471a-2012-reveal/21270/1)
and
5492 (https://vexforum.com/t/stacker-5492-ninjabotics-reveal/21305/1)
and
another wallbot (whoever)
)
I think that it would be 1471A and 5492, but I haven’t seen 5492’s bot work yet…

I’d be more confident with a 1107B and a 1471A.

1471A is a better wallbot than GER, as the scoring mech is (or at least, looks) faster, and the drivebase seems a bit more mobile (not to mention protected). That’s only looking at a static picture of 1471A, though…

//Andrew

I’d trust 1107B more since they’ve had more time to practice

In that particular matchup, I would go with GER and 1107b just due to the track record of both teams.

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Another question I would like to ask is what about super stacker and wallbot VS super stacker and efficiency scorer? Which would make a better partner for the super stacker? Wallbots have the advantage of not letting others by, but if the super stackers can take care of themselves, the scorers could rack up more points and make it literally impossible to outscore.

Remember, though–the super stacker could run out of objects…

You. Yes, you, the top scoring amazing super efficiency bot that won all of your quals and picked us.

You get this ball to preload.

Just the one.

The rest is ours! All ours!!

Well the entire stacker principle works on being able to score more than is physically possible by the entire opposing alliance, so either reducing their max score, or raising our own will work. Just, which works better? Scoring more than they can score by having a ridiculous amount of doubled objects? Or having a wallbot to deny them the ability to score anywhere close to what they need to win?

I guess that wallbots generally work the best with stackers. The one time that scoring more would help is if it is stacker vs stacker. In this case a robot that can score will be important for getting the edge. A scoring wallbot might actually work the best for this because they can be a wallbot in most matches, but score against another wallbot-stacker alliance.

The efficiency scorer could probably knock down the stack away from the wallbot during autonomous.

However, I think scoring wallbots will be able to score the objects that the super stacker doesn’t use.

Between those two, I’d go with GER and 1107B, because GER’s got 3 world titles, and 1107B’s had a lot more experience and time to tweak than 5492. But I think it’d be a close competition!

They shouldn’t need to. As long as the wallbot can take the entire stack, there is no way that the other stacker could score as much

This shouldn’t matter to a good wallbot, they should be able to re-hoard the objects quickly

What if the scoring wallbot’s stacker ally got a barrel lodged sideways in its intake? :eek: The wallbot had better be able to save the match!

Also, a scoring wallbot can effectively use the negator against another scoring wallbot or against NZ bots. Murdomeek has suggested that his stacker will be able to defend the stack on its own once it splits open, allowing his ally to go and use the negator.

Due to the finicky nature of the pickup mechanism, you don’t get a barrel lodged sideways in the intake unless you really want it there.

Because the stacks are topped with balls and protected by classified defense mechanisms, it’s very hard to drop a negator in. Furthermore, after splitting both robots basically turn into a 4’ wide wall between the rest of the field and the stack. They’re still able to move to protect the goal, however. But the ideology of the super stack strategy is once we’ve let go of the stack, there’s <1s left of match time.

In a stacker/wallbot and stacker/wallbot fight, it really matters if the wallbots can score, who gets the middle object wall, and how confident the stackers are with very large stacks.

Although I’m optimistic, realistically 1107b has had much more practice and time to iron out problems with this strategy.

Also, I’m not sure about 1471A. Can they score in all goals? How long is their reach?

It seems most teams are forgetting that a good nz bot could just only pick up balls and score a few in each 30in to stop the other team from doubleing them
Also a wallbot scorer might be a good partner but im not sure if it can pick up balls effectively enough.
the best partner i can think of for a super stacker would be an nz with alot of torque on drive train to play defense/ guard wallbot at the end of the match.
robots like
599d
569c
which ever has the piston 6 bar 8 motor drive
or team 64

I like how you nonchalantly mentioned your own robot at the end there.

The purpose of a wallbot when paired with a stacker should not be to protect it during stacking but, to prevent the oter alliance from messing with it during collection so that it can make the stack as high as possible

Exactly. As soon as the stacker is finished collecting objects, the wallbot can go score, or it can go use its negator if it’s against NZ bots or another scoring wallbot.

I agree with this however, if the wallbot can take the entire wall of game objects and the stacker can score its most tall stack, that alliance would win even if the wall bot doesn’t score any additional points

Yes, we can reach all the goals. Our reach is pretty long with the arm extension.

I know this might sound a bit biased. But ill have to go with 44 and 1107B, because of the sheer skill and strategy both these teams have. I also think that 44 has something much better than what they had at the CT championship, and 1107B is going to make their robot much better so this is why i could chose 44 and 1107B.

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Why dont we try this at worlds for fun as a ptactice match in practice feilds. We will all gather up.