The reason for this topic is to see what everyone else is thinking about the strategy of parking robots on the platform. I have seen some discussion on this topic in other threads a while ago. But the one of the reasons that made me question the importance of parking on the platform are because in previous games, like turning point, teams would forgo the platform because in the time they take parking, the other alliance would score more net points than the platform is worth.
One reason I think it isn’t worth it to climb the platform is because mobile goals are worth more on the platform and they are safe in the last 30 seconds. The way I see matches being played out is at the beginning people will rush to mobile goals, then when all or most of the mobile goals are in possession of robots, the robots will try and 1. take mobile goals from the opponent (if possible) and 2. score rings on the goals that they own. Then in the last 30 seconds, teams will lift their mobile goals onto the platform from the side so they are a safe 40 points plus rings, and if they lift the mobile goals on it would be very difficult to lower the platform without disturbing the mobile goals are already placed there.
So why not try to climb the platform with the goals? The main problem I see with this is that it would be really difficult to carry multiple goals with rings and climb a 22 degree platform. Another challenge with this is that the tall goal has a tendency to fall over, so climbing with it is probably going to be very difficult, but if you can do that, I might be wrong.
So what are everyone else’s thoughts?
I feel like it really depends on what your robot is capable of doing. I know that our robot will definitely park as it will be a more goal focused robot than a ring focused robot.
Balancing a robot on the platform actually makes a BIGGER difference than balancing a goal on the platform.
- A goal in your alliance home zone is worth 20 points.
- A goal balanced on your platform is worth 40 points, for a net gain of 20 points.
- A robot in your alliance home zone is worth 0 points.
- A robot balanced on your platform is worth 30 points, for a net gain of 30 points.
As a result, you get more points for having a goal on the tiles in your alliance home zone and a robot on the platform than for having the goal on the platform and the robot on the tiles.
It might make a bigger difference, but I don’t think that matters. In a match if the goals are split evenly 3-4. Three goals on the platform is a net swing of +60 points the same as two robots. The difference I see is if you park, leaving your 3 goals unattended in your home zone, the opponent will steal the goal having a net swing of -40 points for a neutral goal and -20 for a alliance goal. This is kind of the same concept like I was talking about for turning point, where once you have parked, you aren’t scoring points anymore, whereas your opponents are. So that is why I think if you are going to park, you have to do it with your mobile goals.
I suppose I didn’t really consider a bot that doesn’t focus rings as much, if you don’t have rings on a goal to fall off while climbing, that makes climbing with goals a lot easier and more viable. But then the question becomes what is worth more a ring focused bot with no park, or a bot with some rings with +30 points. That probably also depends on the bots.
I feel like ring focused is more of a risk as if you don’t get the tall goal you could be hosed by the 80 points of high branches. I do feel like ring might have the potential for higher scores though.
To be honest it will probably vary match to match as teams develop strategies for their opponents. It will also change based to region because different regions focus on different characteristics of the game
I’ve seen people talk about not parking and just putting mobile goals on the platform too. I’ve had an idea though. What if you put the mobile goal up on the platform using a lift of some sort and use the lift to hang onto the side of platform. I’ve been trying to find the video I saw that was similar but I can’t find it. If anyone remembers what team used an x drive and used a cap to help park during turning point please tell me.
So basically you could hang off of the side of the platform with maybe a mobile goal on there too. It should be considered on the platform because it’s touching it and not the ground. You could have a mobile goal on the platform, the robot hanging, and another mobile goal inside the robot for a grand total of 110 easy points.
I’ve tried rings on goals and the rings seat more securely than you’d think making rings falling off less of an issue.
What I was worried about was them falling off while climbing the platform. The branches are at 143 degrees and the platform is at 22 making it a 165 degree angle or 15 degrees from parallel with the ground, combine that with a shaky robot might be tricky, but then again you could probably just program a move slowly button, I don’t really know what will happen until I have a bot to test with.
Love the out of the box strategy, but sadly will not work with the game manual definition of elevated:
Elevated - A Robot and / or Mobile Goal state. A Robot or Mobile Goal is considered Elevated if all of the following criteria are met at the end of a Match:
- The Robot or Mobile Goal is contacting their Alliance Platform.
- The Platform meets the definition of Balanced.
- The Robot or Mobile Goal is not contacting any other Field Element, such as the foam field tiles or
the field perimeter.
This includes the following diagram which indicates that elevated robots and mobile goals cannot be contacting robots or mobile goals that are not elevated.
Oh, i believe you misunderstood what i meant. I didn’t mean that the robot would use a mobile goal to elevate itself. I meant that the robot could set the a mobile goal on top of the platform using an arm. Using that same arm, it would pull itself up with another mobile goal inside of it. It’s similar to how robots hanged in starstruck.
I feel like that would cause the platform to be way too heavy on one side. No way it could balance. It could be really op though if you had both robots on an alliance do it.
Sorry for the crappy image, but this would be a general gist of how it would look with a mobile goal on the platform from the arm that put it up there and a robot hanging using that same arm with a mobile goal inside of the robot.
Yeah. Didn’t realize someone else already mentioned it.
What is your team’s plan for the platform for most matches?
- Park with goals
- Just park
- Just place goals
- Do nothing with the platform
- Idk what my team is doing
For those of you who have access to a platform - would the platform side be able to physically hold up a robot? My understanding is that it is just a slim piece of plastic and I would have thought pulling on it with a big weight would break it. In fact, my impression from the posts regarding the platforms is that they sound relatively rickety and not very secure overall - so even if you could grip the side without ripping it off, wouldn’t the platform itself be likely to just pull out and flip over?