Public event, teams signed releases to participate in competitions that allows videos and pictures to be released. Teams have little control over what is or is not released about them. No confidentiality agreements exist in VEX.
True the person posting could have been less provocative in their name. However, in the interconnected world we live in, it is more likely more videos exist than say 5 or 10 years ago. Best get used to it.
So obviously every thing you state as a fact here is true. As 1104 members specifically do not have forum account I will do my best to be discuss a few of the things that are more opinion in your post.
This was an event hosted by 1104 in the hope of raising the level of the game around the world. Most of their teams were already in the top 30 and could have easily posted these scores at the provincial championship to ensure qualification. The team obviously has 6 incredible robots and fields so practice wasn’t the entire purpose. They politely asked and to the best of my knowledge got complete agreement by teams to not post pictures or videos of each other’s robots. Had they not gotten confirmation prior to the event it is possible they would not have competed to the best of their abilities. This would have hurt them obviously but it also would have hurt everyone else for not having seen the scores people are achieving.
I think forcing secrecy is something that is crossing a line in VEX but that is not to say that asking for and respecting secrecy is in anyway morally wrong. What is pretty morally wrong is agreeing to something and not keeping up an agreement but that is something for a whole other thread and day.
Personally I always tried to keep things I worked on fairly open but other people have different opinions on the matter. I do everything in my power when discussing with people of this opinion to ensure their secrets remain their secrets.(this is difficult when mentoring multiple teams but I do pretty well keeping track in my head who is allowed to know what)
Tabor, what they did was not record the team in the competition. That video was kept confidential under the organization’s official YouTube channel. It was most likely stolen and posted.
I have heard additional information about this event. It sounds like someone may have acquired a copy of the video and redistributed without their consent. That is a bad move. However, I believe all VEX events should be transparent to scrutiny to those who are impacted by it. This may be a discussion for RECF to have with their Event Partners if you want this type of “no recordings” then that has deeper implications for how events are run.
They have excellent robots and have worked hard so please don’t flame me, just asking. I am assuming the video was a practice run since there was no tape outlining the true loading zone. But more importantly, it seems to me that they are violating this loading rule during skills:
Also, the loading boxes seem custom for the task of loading and tilted by a device (PVC pipe) to assist in delivering balls to the drivers loading. It brings new meaning to “level playing field”. You could argue a foot would work just as well, but that would work on one side only as the drive is tethered to the post. Still, the skills run, practice or not, is quite impressive.
I was a ref at the FL State skills runs this weekend and that type of loading in front of the robot and touching the tile outside of the loading zone would have been disallowed. Mind you, this was after another ref had gone completely the opposite direction and wasn’t even allowing loading if your hand crossed over the imaginary vertical line extending from the loading zone tape. We got this misnomer fixed quickly.
For the boxes, we asked specifically abut where the fields would be and what boxes would be used for loading. They placed the fields on the ground thank goodness.
Nice Samuel Crouch, but last year we ended up in our division finals against the #1 and #2 top seed skills scorers on the same team and in the same final match. We won 90ish to 50ish and weren’t ranked anywhere near the top, so anything can happen to anyone
The loading boxes used at the event are the same loading boxes used at all Ontario competitions. There was no custom PVC bracket placed under the loading boxes there was however a shoe. I have attached a picture of the loading boxes used.
To clarify something that was stated earlier, the video that was posted was not a video taken by another team. It was a video taken on an 1104 camera and somehow hijacked and posted by some other entity.
Although we support friendly speculation about our skills runs, we had no desire for them to be revealed this early. We have since discovered the origin of the VEX LEAKS account and are very disappointed that a team of this standard would seek to reveal it without our consent.
The run in the video was one of many practice runs and was not counted towards the official rankings.
It was an excellent run. I hope we get those boxes for Worlds. They look good! Sorry about confusing the shoe for PVC pipe. A good reason not to use video playbacks for judging events.
I have a question.
I thought the Discobots were located in Ontario, Canada, but aren’t you guys from Texas?
Are the Discobots one big organization or something?