6007


#1

#2

As they say, innocent until proven guilty. Also, the burden of proof falls upon the accuser (you in this case), so if you find actual proof that they did the modification on purpose, let me know.
Also, I agree with @thedarry that this modification didn’t provide a significant advantage to them.


#3

+1


#4

+100


#5

+1000


#6

You’re dropping a lot of bombs but there’s not much truth to them. Rolling Robots is not a malicious organization. Aside from some unsportsmanlike discord comments (made by users that are not on 6007), I’m not sure how they could be seen as nasty. Saying that they are “for profit” is also totally irrelevant. Would you say the grocery store you buy your food from is evil because they gain profit from selling you groceries? And unlike the grocery store, rolling robots has done a ton of community outreach and taught kids with disabilities and economic barriers the STEM tools they need to be successful.

You also need to consider the scope of the pneumatic alterations. The pneumatics on their 2017 worlds bot were unaltered according to cut to the bot videos, and 6007 gained no advantage by drilling holes this season. They literally could have taken the standoffs off their lift towers and ziptied the pneumatic tanks in exactly the same place without affecting their robot one bit.

Last thing: qualifying through robot skills is not a “back door” into worlds. Would you say the 8059 teams qualify to worlds every year through a back door by excelling in skills? 6007 had to fly to Utah because the skills competitions in California were all full, not because they were gaming the system. It’s actually incredible that they were able to put together a skills robot in less than 2 weeks and fly it to Utah to qualify, especially given that FRC season and APs are at their high points right now.

Bottom line: 6007 unknowingly violated a rule and gained no advantage from doing so. When the RECF overreacted and disqualified them from the entire event, they were able to build a skills robot and fairly qualify to worlds that way. If you have issues with Aeden or Ethan, you should create a private message and try to work it out. But you should not troll the forums.


#7

Actually… this is the only door we (including all the small regions) have to qualify for worlds :stuck_out_tongue:


#8

I know, the question was rhetorical. I was saying it’s not a back door and that all of your teams qualify legitimately. :slight_smile:


#9

I really would like to meet the 6007X guys at Worlds. I think this was an honest mistake and should not be penalized with not being allowed to compete at worlds. Their robot is clearly good enough for the world stage. If the drilling pneumatics mounting thing is illegal, than just change the tanks and everyone should be over it!


#10

@truthbomb you seem to be the one witch hunting @meng and everyone else is just trying to explain that who you are hunting is not a witch.


#11

why some of yall so salty he got into worlds. Chill…


#12

+100. 6007x has been one of the top teams this season.


#13

100% Agreed lol


#14

There is a reason vex has multiple ways to qualify for the world championships. They attempt to do one unjustly and were stopped for it. That is known. Now it is ridiculous to ridicule them for realizing their mistake and attempting to not waste an entire seasons worth of work by qualifying through skills. They did it fair and square. Deal with it


#15

Wow… talk about extreme hate towards 6007… It’s not like they were doing this as an advantage anyways.


#16

So 6007 qualified though skills? how about 62?
@Ethan_6007X


#17

Err… 42nd place. Out of the top 35, but close enough where something could happen.


#18

62A is at the top of the skills list of unqualified teams in California. There were a few double qualifications, so they should get their worlds invite.


#19

Agreed


#20

We believe the Robot Rules and regulations are the most important rules in the Game Manual. Their application determines the legitimacy of any VEX Robotics Competition because they are designed to ensure a level playing field for all teams that choose to participate.

Once a referee, inspector or event official calling for a spot-inspection determines that the Robot Rules have been violated after the tournament begins, unlike a violation of Game Rules, disqualification is automatic (<R2d>).

And disqualification should be automatic. The onus is on teams to follow these rules, not on an over-stretched event staff – often are comprised of inexperienced volunteers - to be constant watchmen over every team during our fast-paced tournaments. That duty to self-police and follow the rules is the essence of sportsmanship.

There has been talk on this thread about intent and advantage. Regarding intent, it is hard to imagine how a team can accidentally modify its pneumatic reservoirs per <R15a>.

Secondly, regarding advantage, we are all constrained to building within a very compact 18x18x18 space. There isn’t one mechanical engineer who wouldn’t love to have a little more space when they need it. There isn’t any VEX EDR team on the planet that hasn’t had to abandon a better design idea because of space limitations.

Finally, unpopular as it is, we think the full effect of <R21> should be applied here. At a CA state championship event at Pomona on February 24th, forty-eight teams participated after a long season fighting to qualify. Thousands of dollars spent, hours of work and planning and yes, blood, sweat and tears. Forty-seven of those teams brought a legal bot and one team - who made the playoffs - did not.
If that is not an affront to the other teams and a violation of the spirit and ethos of VEX Robotics, then tell us what is.

@Paul Copioli if we have misunderstood the Robot Rules and their importance, we would ask you to please post here. Thank you.