Why T1 Should be Changed

Rule T1 states that, “Head Referees have ultimate and final authority on all gameplay and Robot ruling decisions during the competition.”

I believe this rule is fundamentally flawed for two reasons: There are no limits on what the head referee can change, and there is no system of checks and balances.

I would like to share an example from a competition I attended during the High Stakes season. In this competition, the head referee ruled that blocking access to a mobile goal in the corner was considered possessing that mobile goal, even if you were not contacting the goal. This made it so that while guarding a mobile goal in the corner, a common strategy, you could not manipulate another goal at all due to SG6. This goes against the definition of Possession in the High Stakes manual.

The definition of Possession was as stated,

“Possession – A Robot / Scoring Object status. A Scoring Object is considered Possessed by a Robot if a Robot’s change in direction would result in controlled movement of the Scoring Object. This typically requires at least one of the following to be true:

• The Scoring Object is fully supported by the Robot.

• The Robot is moving the Scoring Object in a preferred direction with a concave face of the Robot (or inside of a concave angle formed by multiple mechanisms/faces of the Robot).

• The Robot is holding the Scoring Object against the Floor or a Field Element.”

By this definition, simply blocking access to the goal without contacting it should not have been considered possession. However, due to T1, the head referee had the final say and could change anything, even directly going against terms in the game manual. The red box of T1 in this game manual states that, “When an ambiguous rule results in a controversial call, there is a natural instinct to wonder what the “right” ruling “should have been,” or what the GDC “would have ruled.” This is ultimately an irrelevant question; our answer is that when a rule specifies “Head Referee’s discretion” (or similar), then the “right” call is the one made by a Head Referee in the moment.” It additionally states earlier that, “Many rules have “black-and-white” criteria that can be easily checked. However, some rulings will rely on a judgment call from this human Head Referee.” The first quote seems to contradict the second. In the possession example, the corner guarding is a “black-and-white” ruling, either possessing a goal or not. However, since the head referee can seemingly change anything, the second quote is irrelevant to the first, as any ruling can be made a “judgment call”.

Proposed Solution: State in the game manual what rules or terms are considered “black-and-white” and must be followed by the head referee. This would place a limit on what they can change and leave proper judgment calls the way they are.

The second reason that this rule is flawed is that in these situations, there is no system of checks and balances to prevent them. The head referee has final say on any ruling during a match, and T1d states that, “Event Partners may not overrule a Head Referee’s gameplay or Robot decisions.” This means that the only person who could potentially hold the head referee accountable is the head referee. This allows the head referee to completely “take over” a competition with a ruling that goes against the game manual, and no one can do anything about it, because they have the final say with no one to “check” them.

Proposed Solution: Have a system of odd-numbered referees with the same amount of “power” that can vote against each other in the case of a controversial call, or allow an outside force, such as the Event Partner, to override these decisions. I understand that these solutions are not very fleshed out and could have potential drawbacks, but something has to change.

In these situations, competitors can feel discouraged and powerless when they know the head referee is going against the documents that they have been taught to swear by, but nothing can be done and they have to adapt at a moment’s notice in a competition. This is why I believe the rule T1 must be changed in some sort of way.

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Edit: political comparisons withdrawn.

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In the cases that I have seen, head referees act as part of a team and do not operate as sole arbiters or right and wrong. They are by no means perfect, but the highly qualified referees tend to be the ones the most willing to listen. Part of the referee certification includes instructions to stay versed on relevant q&a’s as well as pass an exam. I’m sorry you had to deal with any issues with a referee, but as an Event Partner, I appreciate having an experienced referee with the final call.
Requiring events to have 3, 5, 7+ “head” referees is impossible in most regions.

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I truly admire the amount of dedication you put into this post, but in the end, jpearman is right. It’s just democracy.

I think you need to take a step back and look at context here and be realistic about what is present at an event, 1) Event Partner has role of overseeing event operations - they understand the duties of all volunteers who make an event run successfully, and assuring overall event policies are adhered to, 2) Head Referee is certified (and the course is extensive) as how to administer Game Manual rules and RECF policies for Code of Conduct and Student-Centered, and 3) Judge Advisor who assures judging process is run correctly. There are a lot of moving parts in a local tournament all happening at once. The reason T1 exists is to allow on field game management to be administered at the field with what the Head Referee and the team at the field sees. This is for consistency. Teams have the opportunity to contest match issues at the field and the Head Referee has the opportunity to consult with their field crew and apply the Game Manual rules. Their decisions are final - no video reviews etc. Event Partners regularly get questioned about a match and results, and the stock answer for issues at the field is to ask Head Referee “Is this your final decision?” and move on. EPs are not at every match. Video from streams or teams is one point of view. Referee team has only their perspective to make decisions.

As for propose solutions for Game Manual - how long should the Game Manual be? right now a lot of teams do not read the Game Manual completely. So many teams do not even read the Q&A clarifying questions and answers. Add more Referees? where do all these volunteers come from? EP has too many duties already - what happens if it is G1 issue? EP, Head Referee, and Judge Advisor need to discuss situation. EPs do not know all the Game Manual rules.

As to your assertion of no checks and balance is a bit extreme - key roles in tournaments have to take certification course to be eligible to hold the positions of Head Referee, Event Partner, and Judge Advisor - they take time. Moreover, referee teams are approved by EP to perform on field roles at their events. There are more standards before a Head Referee can serve in the position for Event Region Championship - and I am sure Worlds has its bar as well …

T1 covers a lot to make sure it is consistent for all events. The true check is if you have an issue at event let the EP or RECF RSM know as soon as possible.

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This is definintely the correct option, but I’d like to be able to have the EP be able to step in and remove and replace the Head Refferee if there are issues. Is this allowed?

Relevant to discussion:

From the Major League Baseball Official Rules:

From the NFL Official Rulebook:

From NBA Official Rules:

From FIFA Rules:

From International Tennis Federation Rules:

From League of Legends LCS Rules:

From CS:GO Rules:

From Competitive Valorant Rules:

From Call of Duty League Official Rules:


I could keep going, but I’d wear down my CTRL+C and CTRL+V keys

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tbh that’s so real. T1 Should be changed based off just the info you provided

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If the refs follow G3 this shouldn’t be an issue lol. If they dont, not really much you can do

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big can of worms here. I believe there very few instances of removing a Head Referee - for example, major Code of Conduct violation.

In case of misapplication of rules, that is part of the human element of any game. Early season we expect misunderstanding of rules - hence why there is a Q&A for clarification of the Game Manual. It is also how VEX Robotics Competition is different from typical sports, new rule book every year, and the role of the referee is to be active to warn of potential rule infractions before they happen.

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We have had an issue before with something along the lines of this (and what
OP had). We had a head referee not follow the rules or QnA and when asked about it, he said that “that is not my interpratation of the rule”. It was pretty clear what the correct ruling was. The EP said he couldn’t change anything about it and told me to just go back to the Head Referee.

But yes, this is a big can of worms, and I don’t see any real solution to this (except for allowing video reveiw if agreed to by both alliances)

I am not saying we are even considering adding Video Review (because we aren’t and have no plans to)…

but even with Video Review, there would need to be a pre-determined “final decision-maker”

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Yeah, there is really no good solution for this problem. Compared to other things, this isn’t even a big issue.

It could be, we want teams to be heard and have a fair application of Game Manual rules are written. An additional resource is to contact your RECF Regional Support Manager, they are in a position to get support to improve Head Referee skills for the rest of the season.

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Kudos to you, I laughed at this post and assumed it would go nowhere when I saw it. But somehow, because of you or not, T1 got changed! It now states:

To be honest I don’t think that this will change the behavior of any ref who previously didn’t follow the game manual/Q&A but it is still a nice change.

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…how did this actually get changed?

To whomever can answer this, how will be inforced? I don’t think the EP can overrule a Head Referee’s descision, so if there is a bad ruling made that violates , what happens?

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What if we leave T1 alone and instead change the title of the Game Manual to the Laws of the Game? :wink: This football fan would be pretty excited…

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