In the manual, it states, “A minimum of three (3) stakes on the Alliance’s side of the Autonomous Line”. Is not the alliance wallstake also considered a stake, meaning this criteria is met before the match even begins for both alliances? If it meant mobile stakes, like most people think, then wouldn’t it say mobile stakes instead of generalizing the term? My team participated in the signature event, Bristol Bots, and the head ref interpreted it as such and I’d like to know before we start programming autonomous’s for our state tournament.
The danger of selective reading or truncating the sentence too early.
Here’s the full sentence.
Obviously you placed the full-stop much too early.
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I don’t understand how this advice is helpful in answering the overall question, could you explain further?
I have copied and pasted the full statement of the ruling for your question.
I have also mentioned what’s wrong with your statement/question.
So apart from telling you directly, I am not sure how much more you want me to provide.
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The wall stakes are above the auton line, so unless you’re planning on moving the wallstakes they will remain neutral and cannot be considered to be on one’s side of the auton line (also the definition of ‘stake’ as provided in the game manual makes it clear that this requirement for the AWP is talking about mobile goals, not wall stakes or alliance stakes) Good luck at states!
We should probably consider that new user “vexlover4567” with name “Billy Bob” might just be trying to waste our time.
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I was more wondering about the alliance wallstakes rather than the wallstakes above the autonomous line. The manual says the definition of a stake is “A vertical ½” (12.7 mm) Schedule 40 PVC pipe (black, yellow, red, or blue) with a compliant barb at the top, used for Scoring Rings. There are ten (10) Stakes…” It then goes on to list all the stakes across the field, including wall and alliance stakes. I don’t see how it’s clear they meant mobile goals.
I don’t see how including “with at least one (1) Ring of the Alliance’s color scored” is useful in answering the proposed question. Almost everyone in VEX VRC robotics knows you have to score a ring of your color for a winpoint, it would defeat the purpose of having a winpoint. I neglected to include the last few words of the manual statement because I thought it was irrelevant.
Sorry 2775Josh, you may not have realized but I just created this account to get clarification in the game manual and not to promote my team and personal name publicly in the vex community.
I have bolded some of your words - you mentioned that the AWP criteria is already met even before the start of the match.
This is only true if the rule is that truncated sentence from you.
What I am trying to tell you is that it is not true that the AWP criteria is already met, because the full statement includes the “small thing” (which many teams still couldn’t fulfil, even though everybody knows the objective of the game is to score rings into stakes) of having at least 1 ring in 3 different stakes.
Perhaps what you are trying to ask is whether alliance stake is considered one of the 3 stakes?
If that’s the case, there is no need to include the part about meeting AWP criteria even before the match begins.
So no - the words that you have truncated off is not irrelevant.
In fact, I usually don’t respond to questions like “is alliance stake consider one of the 3 stakes”. Coz it is already defined inside the manual.
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So, you think that it is ok to challenge one of the most respected member of the community with nonsense is helpful - I am with @2775Josh you appear a troll …
I summon the @DRow ban hammer 
Lets just close this topic,
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Yes, the alliance wall stake is considered a stake.
As @meng attempted to point out, one of the criteria to earn an Autonomous Win Point requires a certain number of stakes to have rings on them of the alliance color AND be on the alliance’s side of the Autonomous line. Just having stakes on your side of the autonomous line doesn’t get you anything - as you noted, they are already there at the beginning of the match.
It does NOT mean only mobile goals, and most people don’t think that.
They did NOT mean only mobile goals. All stakes (including alliance stakes) are included in stakes. Since neutral wall stakes are not on either side of the autonomous line, as @7567E_Robotics pointed out, those do not come into play for the Autonomous Win Point.
It was not irrelevant, as @meng pointed out, it is a key part of the criteria to earn an Autonomous Win Point. Neglecting it will cause you to misunderstand what needs to be done.
So to sum up and hopefully clarify - in order to get an Autonomous Win Point in a match at a World’s qualifying event, an alliance must score at least one ring on 3 different stakes on their side of the autonomous line. This could be 1 on the alliance stake and one on each of the mobile goals that start on their side, or three mobile goals with a ring on them on your side of the autonomous line, which would involve gaining control of the mobile goal straddling the autonomous line at the beginning of the match.
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