Worlds Questions

Can you rename this thread as you are making it seem like an announcement, which it is not. This topic has been covered in other threads. Please merge with them.

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I totally see how this is a problem. Change up elements are probably virtually unused for many orgs, and purchasing these elements probably was a waste of money.

however, I don’t think most orgs would be happy to have change up again next season. I certainly wouldn’t. And while it’s true that many orgs probably won’t have enough money to purchase field elements if there are new ones next year, perhaps recf will have options for these orgs.

even if I was in the situation where a new game would mean I couldn’t purchase a full field of game elements, I would still prefer a new game. obviously I’m not speaking for everyone when I say this, just stating my personal opinion.

The idea of 2 games is interesting, but I don’t think it’s very practical. it would essentially half the number of events you can attend (assume half the events are new, and the other change up), unless you built a robot for both games. And I think the large majority of teams would probably choose the new game, even if they can’t afford a full field of the new elements.

Imo, the best option for recf is to just go full steam ahead with next season on schedule, regardless of how change up ends. I’m ready for a new game, and would be extremely disappointed to have to play change up again for my last season. I think a better solution for the problem of affordability would be recf assisted grants for new field elements for teams that cannot afford them. (this might already exist, not sure). As for worlds, I’d prefer it just be live remote, and move on afterwards. I don’t want the next season to not start until the pandemic is over, which is an uncertain and probably length amount of time. recf could in theory host worlds after they start the new season as scheduled, but that would cause a conflict in most teams over if they should work on their change up worlds bot or start working on the new game.

Interested to know other’s opinions.

  • change up for 2021-2022 season
  • normal season 2021-2022 (new game and everything)

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and I’m also curious, if worlds cannot happen in person on schedule, would you want recf to…

  • Just move forward with the next season, and have worlds be live remote and remote skills events
  • postpone worlds until it can happen, taking an fairly large chunk out of the next season depending on the virus.

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Side note, I’ve renamed this thread. Carry on.

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With the new variant of the virus, you can expect teams to be barred from parts of UK. Maybe China too.
Just hope the variant does not cause another Worlds cancellation as the regular COVID-19.

I don’t know anyone from Texas. I do hope the residents down there follow their own COVID jurisdictions well enough so outside teams to attend Worlds.

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I believe that the vaccine works against these variants too though. Idk how well the UK’s vaccine distribution is going though.

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I also think the vaccine will work against the variant.

Another worry to think about is will most people get the vaccine before Worlds. Which will be a no for the most part as Worlds is only four months away. Most hazmat suits won’t work and a lot of parents worry about out of state field trips right now. A club student did not have a chance to go to our State Championship last year because his mom was worried about the virus.

The second question is rigged, what if we just do worlds like regular but with like masks and stuff. :face_with_monocle:

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not going to get into whether or not it is safe to host worlds in person, even with precautions, since this conversation has been had already in all the other topics about this. But see below for why worlds occurring as usual is probably not an option recf will consider:

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Currently hosting worlds normally is the plan. I suspect the only reason the event would be canceled would be state legislation or action preventing the venue from being used outright. If RECF was planning on canceling they would’ve already done so instead of continuing their preparation for the event.

When it comes to raw cases being a preventative reason for hosting an event you have to remember perspective. I don’t want to get too deep into the weeds here since it’s vex forum but available data at the time suggested a death rate of upwards of 3% compared to the 0.01706% (actually 1.7%) that the CDC is currently suggesting.

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I don’t want to get into this again as @Xenon27 said but the death rate is actually 1.706%.

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is it really though? has recf issued any statements where they confirm that the plan is to host worlds as normal? sure, they have the venue, but they booked that waay in advance, too far to know if they would be able to actually use it tbh.
and the rollout and push for the live remote tournaments makes me think that they are planning on using that as an alternative to in person competition for worlds. again, no confirmation that this is the case, but that’s my speculation for what they are most likely to do.

that number… does not seem right.

ah, that’s more like it. decimal points matter lol.

anyways if you really want to continue this discussion probably should do it in one of the other topics, as this isn’t really what the op was asking about.

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Yeah, it appears I made a mistake with my math (I just divided the deaths by the cases). Can’t find the straight-up death rate anywhere.

And you know, I guess we’ll see what happens but I like to see things with a bit of optimism, there are certainly far more dangerous things. And for the love of god RECF don’t break my heart twice lmao.

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understandable, I forget to multiply by 100 when dealing with percentages all the time. the death rate is pretty hard to accurately calculate because a lot of factors cause it to be different than just total cases / total deaths. Cases tend to be undercounted far more than deaths, since most people that get covid probably do not get tested. Also, deaths lag behind cases since it takes time to die from covid, so we really won’t ever have a perfectly accurate death rate. But I think anywhere between 0.5-2% is probably a good rough estimate.

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Yes - There was a Town Hall in Sept 2020 where Brad specifically said “the biggest question we’ve been getting lately is will there be a Vex Worlds in Dallas in April 2021… and there will be”, and Dan Mantz discussed ways to qualify for it.

It’s also officially listed on RobotEvents.com and RoboticsEducation.org
https://www.robotevents.com/robot-competitions/vex-robotics-competition/RE-VRC-20-2121.html
https://www.roboticseducation.org/vex-robotics-world-championship/

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good find. september was quite a while ago though, and things have worsened so much more since then (30,000 daily cases to over 250,000), so I would be surprised if recf is still fully planning on having worlds in dallas right now. since the situation is so fluidly changing, I doubt any plans hold much meaning after a few months. I mean, last year recf was still planning on having worlds much closer than in September.

I agree with this. Literally no plans can be made because everything continues to change.

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You can plan for continuous change :wink:

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I may be reading wrong, but is the conversation above insisting that it’s okay if some people die over this event? I’m not trying to sound snarky, that’s just how it came off in my eyes.

As for the actual topic, hosting worlds in person seems next to impossible right now. As @Droideka said, we might see entire countries barred out from the tournament. This isn’t even considering how so many teams will need to fly in via airplane, then stay in a hotel, and fly out again.
Even if the whole tournament is every team staying in their pit, only permitted to leave for matches and facilities, all it takes is one single person to make worlds a superspreader event, then teams bring that to their hotels, to the airports, and of course wherever they came from.

Finally, let’s just move forward if we can’t hold it in-person. Do a live remote tournament. Yes, Change Up is a swing game. Yes, we’d all rather play swing games in person. But just because we want it doesn’t mean we can have it. If worlds is postponed, it would probably mean late summer because that’s when most of us are lined up for the vaccine, significantly cutting into the next season and overall making it less enjoyable. All the time we could be spending on the next robot, will be spent waiting.

Brief add on: It has been stated a couple times but any plans at all will change, I’m generally voicing my concern for when it comes to it, if the virus persists.

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People are not following guidelines in my area and the rest of the nation. If people continue to insubordinate, we put events in jeopardy. It’s a lot easier to follow the law then just fighting it. Cases would have significantly decrease by now if everyone followed some simple rules. School are trying to open up and it’s not a good idea (At least in my area, don’t know about anyone else’s) for schools to pursue while cases are piling. Even one single case at your schools can cancel all field trips for the rest of the year. Schools in my area are small and crowded, so its near impossible.

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Not going to comment on the state of the pandemic or what RECF should/shouldn’t do with Worlds, but I do want to correct a bit of misinformation that seems to be going around.

RECF stated at the EP Summit that they plan to have both in-person divisions and Live Remote divisions at Worlds. Granted it was months ago and may not reflect current plans, but I encourage everyone wondering about Worlds to watch the recording of the session.

This is also reflected in the Qualifying Criteria, starting on page 9.

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