So, we got DQ’d on a match that involved flipping a bot, whenever we did the head ref interfered and said to flip it back over. I wasn’t on field for that match, however the people that were, that were on my team listened to head ref and well we got DQ’d. I just need some opinions on whether or not we deserved to get DQ’d for that match even if there were some fouls on both parts.
Am i reading this right? The head ref told your teammates to ‘unflip’ the robot?
in the rulebook you are not allowed to interfere with the robots. so the ref is not in the wrong in this scenario
It really depends on whether it looks intentional. For example, at our last competition, my team wasn’t disqualified after flipping a bot because it was entirely unpredictable that that would flip them (they rammed us and got stuck in our rubber band, somehow the rubber band pulled them over instead of breaking after being stretched a full foot). If it was a predictable outcome, the DQ is entirely reasonable.
All that said, the head ref gets the final call. If they say you should be DQ’d, you’re free to ask them to reconsider during scoring, but there’s not much you can do afterwards.
I believe they meant unflip with their robot.
To answer the original question, if the head ref believes that you didn’t do enough to stop the tip from happening/feels the tip was intentional, you are liable to be dqed.
Yeah someone said it was their first time being ref too. So that may a key factor.
Did they pause the match to flip the robot over, or did they just say to do it while the match kept going? And also, is there any footage of the incident?
Were your team flipping other teams’ robots intentionally? If yes, then it is actually DQ-able.
This is not at all the question. There is nowhere in the game manual where a referee can demand that one team activeley help another robot out of a sticky situation. There IS a benefit to doing this, but there is nowhere that makes it a requirement.
No, however part of our intake design was a full length perpendicular positioned high strength axel, whenever we did not intentionally flip a bot it became a “flip bar”.
It was at Redbird robotics competition January 10th, Louisville, KY in anything but good field. However no they did not pause the match to flip the bot back over. They just said to flip it back over while the match was actively in play.
i see. thank you about that.
If you weren’t intentionally causing other robots to flip over or your own robot to flip over then it should just be normal gameplay:
If your robot was flipped over then you can’t do anything unless your partner flips you over so for the match you basically just sit out
If you flipped over another teams robot, it could be seen as a dq depending on whether it was multiple robots over multiple matches and it’s ultimately refs call
However I’m not sure weather I read this wrong but refs cannot tell teams what to do for example “put balls In the long goals” as this goes against g4 vex’s student centred policy and I believe vex added an area to report refs, and mentors etc which violate this policy at the start of the season
Without being there, it’s not really possible to say what happened. The OP may be misrepresenting what actually happened, perhaps unintentionally.
As a referee, I have encouraged teams involved in a tip to help right the other robot, especially if I feel the robot that did the tipping did so “intentionally or egregiously”. A robot that tries to right a robot they may have knocked over is demonstrating that they didn’t intend to do so by not trying to take advantage of the 2v1.
Don’t think of it as “instructing a team how to play the game or what to do in a match”, think of it as “instructing the team on how to avoid violating a rule”. Much the same way that a referee will count a hold, or to tell a team that their wing is in the Long Goal and not moving a Block which could be a DQ.
^^^ this ^^^
Teams will get themselves into situations. It may look different in every situation. The role of the referee is to alert teams before they get into serious infractions.
In first year as a Referee I got it wrong. To me, sounds like referee trying to help your alliance to correct actions from a major situation to a warning.