At our last competition for the year (sadly no states) we made it to the semi finals. In the semi finals we faced the #1 seed so you can probably guess how that went (42 - 4). However in the match we did this weird move where we activated our doinker. In doing so we “grabbed” onto one of our opponents (6008A). We dragged them out of the corner 3 times while doing this. The ref came over to see what was happening and on the 3rd time he saw what we were doing. On this final pull we grabbed the discs instead of the robot and Apollo One pointed it out to the ref. We thought we would get a DQ for it but the ref waved it. I don’t know if he was just being nice or if it was legal. (Also if someone can tell me how to get a video in here I will put one in)
I’ve reffed matches where I’ve called this a DQ as an egregious entanglement. Probably given the lopsided nature of the match that you lost anyway they didn’t call it.
Rule G13 states that “Strategies aimed solely at … entanglement of opponent robots … are not allowed”. Since you are grabbing the other robot, this is considered entanglement and is (very likely) illegal.
it is the ref’s decision whether it’s legal or not. if they say it’s legal, it’s legal. also you can’t use videos but you can upload a gif and it’s easy to find a free online converter.
pretty much no matter what you do here you are in the wrong. you had a goal in ur clamp so you cant grab the other goal as its double possesion. and as @pmkv G13 prohibits grabing of robots.
and yes dragging a goal through a ring is illegal possesion of a gaol in this scenaraio since you had one in your back pack according to this QNA
It’s (as many other have pointed out) about entanglement not corner protection. I don’t know the exact scenario but I think G3, G13 (obv.) and G16 could be violated. Also remember T1
hey guys this is not what I plan to do but I saw this at our states comp.
someone coded a auton skills and than made it so pressing a button would run the skills code
They then proceeded to use this for their driver skills
Ilegal or immoral?
Ok
I feel like its not really a very moral thing to do making it so if you spend all your time on skills code you can just win
and I feel that it defeats the whole purpose of driver skills
Where do you draw the line? Is activating an automatic color sorter during driver skills “immoral” in your opinion? Is a physical goal aligner “immoral” in your opinion? Are software preset angles on a Lady Brown that aid in scoring “immoral”?
Personally, I think it’s pretty impressive when top teams have auton scores that are above (or near) driver scores, but to each their own.
I think that using code in coding skills may not be the most rational thing to do, but I see the potential for it. I think it is perfectly fine to do this.
I suppose the question would be whether the main purpose of Driver Skills is to show what the robot can do, with manual driving usually (but not always) being the most effective way to do this, or whether another major purpose of Driver Skills is to teach students how to operate a robot’s controls by hand (such as for use in professional robotics contexts or for general hand-eye coordination), and not just by creating a program that is so impressively accurate that it becomes even more effective than operating the robot by hand.
Either way, the current rules for Driver Skills allow teams to use programming as part of their run, so this would be legal as long as it does not violate any other rules. (Yes, the name does include “Driver”, but this could just be because driving is allowed and was expected to be the most common method to be used. If VEX and the RECF had wanted to discourage teams from running fully autonomous Driver Skills runs, I assume they would have said something about it by now, and I don’t remember them doing that so far.)
I would also imagine that VEX and the RECF would be in favor of motivating teams to develop autonomous routes so efficient that they can do a better job than driver control could. Based on which skills they tend to emphasize, they may even prefer to encourage this even if it means that these teams do not spend as much time practicing how to operate their robot by hand (though they would still operate their robot by hand most of the time during their matches).
Oh so cool, someone from the earliest days coming back. I love when roboteers come back as mentors!! I’ll give you a free mentor to mentor tip, robots are way more complex than when you completed.
