To me, strategy wise, tower takeover seems just like turning point. The best bots were the ones that were really good at flags and if you had that caps didn’t really matter. If you get really good at stacking and you stack a ton, chances of the other team being able to get the perfect combination of colors in towers and in their zone to beat you is pretty low. That being said I think the main focus of teams should be stacking. P. S. If a team wins auton and gets 11+ cubes of each color it is impossible to lose. If a team loses auton and gets 12+ cubes of each color it is impossible to lose.
I think the placement of the colors is going to make the towers viable, especially in upper levels where the whole field is cleared. There IS a disparity of color placement in the pre-made stacks, which might not be a big deal, but it could be enough to cause a stack to be mostly one color.
This requires your opponents to basically be asleep at the wheel and be able to create three stacks that are eleven cubes tall, each. Meanwhile, if your opponent manages to scoop up, say, 15 cubes of one color, stack them, then toss on two multipliers, they win 45-43 (assuming the non-towering team got their 33 cubes, including all 5 of the towered color that the towering team wasn’t using). A single extra towered cube swings that to 60-45. Given that it requires acquiring twice the objects and stacking twice as high as a focused strategy, I’m not sure the 33-cube crane kick is going to see much play.
Going further on your point just a bit. if there is such a thing as “spirit of the game” to me that sounds like playing the game in a fair way (which if rules permit, can include fully defensive strategies)
But that’s an impossible situation 15+2+11 is way more than 22 cubes of each color. Not to mention even if the entire opposing alliance is disabled you probably wouldn’t be able to be able to gather 15 cubes of 1 color. The 11+ cubes of each color just guarantees a win but even if you had just 9 cubes of each color and auton your opponents would need at least 25 stacked cubes to win.
Sorry, I misunderstood, but it is still crazy hard to gather 15 cubes of 1 color. Even though you are gathering more cubes with 11 of each color , I think it is still easier with the right robot.
If you check the point totals, I was assuming that the rainbow cube alliance was unsuccessful at acquiring 11 cubes of the color the other alliance was targeting, only managing to pick up the remainders of the focused color (5 and 4).
As for 9 of each, it can be beaten by stacking 22 cubes and towering 4: 9+27+27=63 vs. 66=33+33
And it’s crazy harder to gather 33 cubes in a variety of colors than 15 of one, and you don’t even quite need 15 of one color if you’re a little less picky about what you score so long as you get an edge in some color and reinforce it with towering.
Can you clarify this math
Nope, because it was bad math.
I think focusing and spreading out are both viable strategies. I just find focusing risky for two reasons.
1. It relies on towers which are easy to
descore.
2. Your opponent needs to stack just a few of
whichever color you’re trying to stack to mess you up
The only way to effectively block the rainbow strategy is the rainbow strategy. As I said 9 of each color and you’ve probably won.
Stacking all one color is too easy to counter play. It is crazy hard to get 15 of one color so good luck with that, and after you’ve gone on your quest to get 15 of one color, you’re not gonna have much time to stack and contest multipliers at all. It is super easy to tell when you opponent goes for one color and can be counter by just noticing and going to contest for towers before they do.
The rule book states that if more than one cube is SCORED in a tower, none of them count. It is impossible for more than one cube to be scored in a tower at a time therefor even if two cubes are on a tower only the BOTTOM one will count.
getting more than 11 or 12 cubes of each color stacked is pointless. 15 is extra. Stack 33 cubes and win auton is automatic win. I don’t know where 15 cubes came from.
It was 15 of 1 color not 15 of each color.
That is a good point, but if you score 1 cube of each color in towers they will equally impact both alliances.
That would be true, but take this scenario:
Red wins auton and stacks 2 cubes of each color.
Blue loses auton and stacks 3 cubes of each color.
With no cubes in towers, red wins (12-9)
With one cubes of each color in towers, the match is a tie (18-18)
So auton is the reason that one cube of each color is not necessarily neutral.
I apologize. Next time will make absolutely sure of what I am going to say before I open my big mouth.
I will say one thing. In my 1v1 matches with my sister team, I DON’T score towers. My sister team can stack higher than me, but intakes cubes slower. I don’t stack as high, but I can pick up and place stacks faster. This allows me to achieve a greater total number of cubes within the 1:45 match. I make an even number of cube colors distributed throughout my stacks, so any towers my opponent scores benefit me just as much as him, and then I win by sheer amount of cubes. If my opponent also does not score towers, then I win by sheer amount of cubes again. This is a great strategy, and is why you don’t see any towers scored in the China finals matches on YouTube. even though my bot is not as impressive as my sister team’s bot, I am still able to outscore him In some situations using this strategy.
In early season matches, you might not need to score towers with fast stacking. However, do you think robots will do nothing in the last 30 seconds of worlds matches? At higher levels I think tower play will be more prevalent. The video your referring to is just one case, and there are other videos of matches with stacks of 9 and 10, and tower play at the end of matches.
I think that alliance towers will be used to capitalize on minor imbalances in color, but placing a cube in a neutral tower late season essentially gives your opponent another cube to work with because everyone will be able to remove cubes from towers by then.