Net neutrality, and why you should care

Okay, imagine that you are the executive of some big cable company and net neutrality rules have just been relaxed. What’s the first thing you need (and are legally required) to do? Maximize profit (the goals of large corporations are a topic for another time), and you can use your new rights to do this. What you now have the ability to do is to decide who has the power on the internet; you become its kingmaker. Why do you think Netflix, Google, and all the other huge internet companies are massively in favor of Net Neutrality? Because they know that if the rules are eased, then they can be extorted. This is not hypothetical, you can see graphs of Netflix streaming speed before and after entering talks with Comcast, in the time before Net Neutrality.
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Now if the Net Neutrality rules are reversed, you, the big ISP executive can go back to what you were doing in 2014. Online video accounted for 63% of in 2015, and that number is expected to grow. So you target Netflix and Youtube, who are the dominant ones in this field (in the safe for work category, at least), you can slowly, over a period of several months, tick down downstream speeds, until both sites become basically unusable. Think your users will go somewhere else? Nope! You’ve reached agreements with other cable companies to avoid direct competition. The FCC’s Internet Access Services report in 2016, shows that 58% of Americans have 1 or fewer choice in ISP that provide internet speeds of 25Mbps down and 3Mbps up. It’s 88% for 100Mbps down and 10Mbps up (These numbers were 78% and 90% in 2015; the report is unavailable from the FCC’s website, as of around November 2016, from what I can tell, but conspiracy theories aside, it’s likely just a scheduled maintenance process).

Suffice to say, your customers must choose you, or much slower speeds. Now this is where I acknowledge the fact that you (the ISP exec) have spent large amounts of money (public and private), on your infrastructure, and that those costs give you an de facto monopoly in the regions that you invested in (this is both a good thing and a bad thing) Regardless, you, the ISP, in a world where Net Neutrality is null, have unlimited unchecked power in the region you service and can feel little repercussions for extorting these services until they agree to pay you to return normal service (remember, this happened, in 2014, between Comcast and Netflix, before Net Neutrality had been mandated by the FCC)

Undoing these regulations puts us back in that world, where ISP retain all of the control. In any system, it is incredibly unwise to put all the control into the hand of one, as when one has power, they tend to use it until they lose it. Losing the regulations puts you in a world where you in caught in the middle of a large mafia-like threat (Wouldn’t it be a shame if your users weren’t able to stream the latest season of House of Cards?) But most importantly, the FCC restrictions protect small sites who do not have the capital to pay for the ‘fast-lane’. Do you not like that YouTube is able to unilaterally exert control of self-produced video? Its next competitor will not have the spending ability to bias speeds like that of Alphabet, one of the richest companies in the World, and thus will never be able to overtake them. Do you want to see the bright future of a decentralized Internet where everyone has perfect control over their privacy (In fact, the Mozilla Foundation just announced a $2M prize pool for those able to provide decentralized internet solutions)? These solutions will never be viable in a system where a private corporation, whose only obligation is to its shareholders has the ability to decided what is popular on, arguably, the most important communicative device in the entirety of human history. We cannot let the Internet go the way of TV, we must protect it before we find ourselves using an Internet Tim Berners-Lee would have never imagined

I mainly agree with the concepts of net neutrality, however, based on the information I have found so far, I believe the way it was implemented was not in a manner consistent with the law. If you can show me that it was indeed consistent with the law (in the form of a court decision), then I would be glad to change opinions.

P.S. I was going to snip that post as I am accustomed to doing on other forums, but then I realized I didn’t have to because the forum software automatically collapses it. I love this forum.

How do you mean? The FCC was created by an act of Congress: The Communications Act of 1934, which stated the agency was created (bolded for emphasis)

It is the FCC’s very responsibility by the Act which created them to ensure that Americans have equal and fair access to radio and wire communication services. (TV, Phone, the Internet) One of the ways that they did so was using Title II of the aforementioned Communications Act of 1934, which placed additional restrictions on Common Carriers, and gives the FCC legal authority to classify various providers as it chooses. When the FCC, under the Obama Administration, classified Internet Service Providers as Title II Common Carriers, and the equal treatment restrictions came with that classification

Obligatory IANAL, but Acts of Congress are very similar in technical structure and verbiage to the Game Manuals (if much, much longer)

Too many arguments about net neutrality use fear-mongering.

ISPs aren’t the “kingmakers” of the internet any more than any other location-dependent business is the kingmaker of their industry. Competition keeps them all honest.

The next argument is that there is not enough competition for the free market to work. And this might be a true to some extent, but it’s not as bad as some people claim. The FCC Internet Access Services report thing is misleading because it only considers “fixed connections” while there are many non-fixed options. Very few people (in fact I believe 0) in this country have only one option for how to get online. Additionally, new fixed or cellular providers can move into an area if they feel there is an opportunity which keeps the ISPs already there in check.

I realize I have been making a lot of arguments against net neutrality on here. I honestly don’t have a strong opinion one way or the other. It just annoys me how there is so much hype online about how the internet as we know it will come to an end if we undo 2 year old regulations.

There is no fear-mongering in my post, all I was doing was listing what was possible under the relaxed restrictions, why companies would be financially incentivized to do it, and why that hurts the consumer.

I agree with you on that front, there is some competition, but the difference in speed is great enough to amount to a difference in kind. As for new competition coming into an area, consider the upfront costs that make the monopoly in the first place: the thousands of miles of wire that must be laid, the agreements with all the local governments, the required marketing, everything. The only companies with the financial capital to do that are either (1) preexisting huge companies, or (2) companies backed by other, massive companies (Google Fiber, save us all) However, I agree with you, I, and most Americans like me, have multiple options for getting online. I have the choice between Spectrum, AT&T Uverse, and a few other small options. But, like I said, every single alternative offers speeds one-tenth the speed that Spectrum provides, to the point where their services are non-competitive with Spectrum.

On one hand, I think of Internet service as a utility. It has quickly become important in society. Maybe not as important as water or electricity, but close. Like power outages, Internet outages can cause significant disruption.

On the other hand, I generally favor free markets/less regulation and think genuine competition of ISPs across the country would help improve service. I don’t think the principle of net neutrality actually stifles innovation, but I’m open to be convinced otherwise. I’ve personally seen speed increases/price drops in my area because of ISP competition. For what it’s worth, my municipal suburban ISP supports net neutrality.

Sure, you can get “Internet service” anywhere in the US (dial-up, anyone?), but there may be few providers that provide decent speeds. In general, urban areas have more providers and faster Internet speeds than rural areas. In my experience, service in urban/suburban areas is great, but service in rural areas is poor. Same for both wired and mobile connections.

Regarding government, the FCC constantly changing rules is not a good thing. I would prefer Congress take the lead and pass a law to clarify 1) ISP regulations, if any, and 2) who enforces the regulations.

We recently had google fiber introduced to mh neighborhood, twc tripled the speed of everyones interner for free. It was essentially a last ditch effort to save customers as almost everyone in my area that ive spoken to about it has cut the chors and went to google fiber, not us though, when we called in twc (to
Cancel) halved out price and we stayed.

I’m so mad. Google Fiber was considering our city, and we held a giant 10,000 person rally with glowsticks and everything to make an enormous Google Logo in Falls Park, but they turned us down for Kanas City because our city council signed exclusivity deals with Charter.

Wow, that really sucks, one of the towns next to us got fiber, but then the city council said no thanks we dont need people investing in our city, after the lines were laid

Yes 100% agree

Just saying I don’t have other options. Its Comcast or nothing where I live, and they know that.

Where I moved from was Comcast/Verizon and they were both equally crappy, but once a fiber network came into town they magically had better speeds over night. We still went with fiber because 500 down is heaven.

My biggest beef is I don’t want to pay more for less, or pay more for what I used to have for less. Our Country’s data infrastructure is already hopelessly outclassed by European and Asian Nations and allowing companies to just throttle speeds instead of expanding their bandwidth capabilities isn’t going to help. I’d rather pay more because they’re using that money to expand their infrastructure, not because they don’t want to.

People can argue “free markets” and whatever, but just saying that Europe and Asia regulates their ISPs more severely than we do and gigabit down is a norm over there… So I’m not convinced that a free market is always the answer, especially when members of that “free” market can buy the people regulating it.

I don’t know if I’ll ever understand government, let alone a LOCAL government, arbitrarily limiting options for people.

Don’t Blame Big Cable. It’s Local Governments That Choke Broadband Competition

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Local politicians are cheap compared to the bargain prices they pay… erm… lobby for in the Federal Government.

Too bad most members of Congress don’t understand how the internet actually works. :frowning:

lol someone hasn’t heard of vpn’s and TOR

What’s your zip? Even if Comcast is your only wired provider I bet you have other options

Also, not so sure net bneutrality is going to improve our internet infrastructure considering new investment in that area was down for the first year ever after net neutrality came into effect.

its Xfinity(comcast) and AT&T DSL. DSL is not a option for practical internet usage.

How fast do you consider practical? And like I said, I’ll show you that those aren’t your only options.

Actually, AT&T isn’t even an option. I just Checked.

50/25 is practical. 75/25 is ideal. I moved from 500/125 to 75/25 I’ve noticed.

you won’t, because that would require handing you my address and this is the internet fam, ain’t gunna happen.

There are other options in my zip code and those are equally crappy, but the only option that delivers to my address is Xfinity. Trust me, I’ve checked, more than twice. For now it’s fine, a little down time here and there but for the most part i’d give it 7/10 at the price ($79/month). I just suffer knowing 15 mins south is gigabit fiber for not a whole lot more.

@TheColdedge Alright, if there’s others in your zip and not at your house, then I guess that’s not gonna work. I understand not wanting to give your address. Do you have cell reception at your house? Then you could use that (4G LTE) for your internet. I don’t know how many of the different networks are there, but if you have cell reception then at least one. You also could get Exede or HughesNet I bet. So there’s two more.

However these are gonna be more than what you’re paying rn and worse. They also probably don’t meet your speed requirements, although I don’t see anything wrong with 25mbps download since I can stream HD video with it and that’s basically the most intensive thing anyone does.

Also, I’m not quite sure about the claim that gigabit is the standard in Europe. List of sovereign states by Internet connection speeds - Wikipedia