Team 24C Super Sonic Sparks 2011-2012 Gateway Robot Reveal

No problem :slight_smile:

The motors are typically placed at the left (back) side of the double four bar as they would be in a typical four bar link. There are other ways of powering it, but they are less commonly used.

As to how many motors you use, it depends on how much torque you are going to need. Jordan used a 7:1 (driven to driving) gear ratio for torque powered by 4 motor 269s (2 per side) which seemed to work pretty well given the videos he posted of the competition. However, if you have a heavier manipulator or want to lift more game objects you may need more torque.

So have all of the motors driving the upper bar in the back. And keep the all the other bars loose?:confused:

That will definitely work. Because you have the gear tower in the back, the double four bar in the middle and then a manipulator on the front, it’s a closed linkage. So when you rotate one of the back horizontal bars up and down the whole thing will move up and down.

If still have questions, try watching one of the videos of 24C competing.

Hey i understand everthing about this type of lift now, thanks so much :), and best of luck in this upcoming gateway season.

-Michael

Great. You’re welcome. Good luck to you as well in Gateway!

After everyone has been mis-naming this mechanism I would like to have a consistent name. I talked with jordan and he seems to be fine with the

“Extended 4 Bar”

So who is up for calling this mechanism the Extended 4 Bar?

Because its not a 7-bar, 6 bar, 8 bar or any of the other names we have all been calling it (even me)

  • Andrew

I’m definitely in for calling it an extended 4-bar arm. It makes it far easier to remember and makes much more sense.

Definitely. Andrew; thanks so much for the name!! :smiley:

~Jordan

Sounds great.

i think the variation that i cadded should be called the 7bar :wink:
you’ll see why when we release it :slight_smile:

There is a way to make an “extended 4bar” from the longest bar you have
on the lift. Here is a picture to explain what I mean:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT8ViYUZ7f7KcyVJi5uWlHzGoZP_hdd_ZqWAQXoHqKGFL1t31i5yA

Unfortunately this was the best picture I could get. Even though this basketball hoop does not lift, if it did, those 2 bars that created traingles would keep the hoop straight. This should work with vex also.

That’s not correct. A three bar linkage doesn’t move.

Movable basketball hoops use parallelogram linkages just like on a lot of Vex robots.

http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml02/02129b.jpg
Exactly.

3-bar linkages create triangles, which wouldn’t work at all like you would want your 4-bar linkage to work. This is why triangles are very commonly used to stabilize structural pieces; because they don’t move.

~Jordan

no, I saw a basketball hoop that MOVED and it was like the picture. I guess I’ll have to do a little bit of building to show you guys. :frowning: :wink:

Did you use any aluminum on this robot? If so, What parts of the robot have aluminum on it?

Though I am not the builder of this robot, judging by the pictures I would say that every piece of metal on this robot is aluminum.

Really?

I’m confused as to why it is not a 6 bar linkage?

It could be a 6 bar, but I think that the nature of the mechanism being derived from a “4 bar” The extended 4 bar would be a better name since it just sorta extends the reach.

But if we want to get technical a 4 bar isn’t really a 4 bar because there are only 2 bars needed to move, the reason its called a 4 bar is because you could the mounting points. If we want to name it based on the mounting points I think a 6 bar would work, but IMO the extended 4 bar is just a better name but again thats just me

  • Andrew

Ok, cool.

Extended four bar works for me. At AURA we call it a 6 bar, so it’s good to know we’re not mistaken.